drawing comb with an ivy flow on?

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That's how some people run their hives. I prefer to leave them with what I think is a surplus of honey.

It has been a funny year. We took honey halfway through July, with the expectation that we would probably get another super off each hive by the end of August - and have plenty in the brood box. In reality, we are low on capped stores, the brood nests are still very large and the supers have a small amount of nectar in them.

Our actions are:

- supers underneath the broods to persuade them to stuff the nectar in the broods.

- 5 litres of syrup now

- we have strong ivy flow, so with a bit of luck that will sort them.
 
Lets be honest there there can be a problem with ivy.

Just think about it a bit.

All the rest of their honey stores (mixed floral, most likely) is looted by the beekeeper. That leaves ivy, late in the season, as the majority of the stores (and also limited to them, by the beekeeper). That is not the natural situation (but may be for later swarms, or for well-founded colonies during a poor season). So their normal stores in a good or average year would be a mixture of honeys. and we all have heard that 'variety is the spice of life' (well, some of have).

Set against that, carbohydrate use, during the winter, is mostly used for conversion to thermal energy - heat. We (should) all know that impure sugar leads to dysentry - too much solids content which the bees cannot cope with. Whether that is simply the % protein (or other material) which causes it, I am not sure. Bees can easily cope with the normal approx 2% pollen content in honey.

So protein is a by-product or waste product, generally, during the winter. That means that all they actually need is carbohydrate. Winter bees have reserves of other winter nutrients deposited around their bodies.

I am like the NBK and do not raid my colonies for every scrap of honey. Even so, I intend leaving them with less than a full 14 x 12 brood box of stores this winter as I found the colonies were more than sufficiently stocked after the winter, this year, and I found myself removing frames of stores to make adequate space for early expansion. They will still have well in excess of a deep national box, but that is another issue (as to which may be best best).

So, in a nutshell, I would prefer to have a mixture of honies in the brood box, not just ivy; but whether or not it is a real problem is not really known definitely. I am not going to worry about it, one way or the other.

RAB
 
If you're feeding established colonies (not late increase) now because they're low on stores. Then you've taken too much honey. Usually.

or, you live in an area that's had crap weather for nectar production for the last few weeks, and your bees have eaten all the stores of honey they had.
 
Mine are still bringing in honey. There is a great smell from outside the hives at the moment.

Arguably, I should have treated the two weaker ones with Apigard recently, but it has been a bit warm, really, so I suppose I will have to do it at the end of September.
 
Pity we cannot do the same kind of marketing job on Ivy honey as they've done for Manuka!

Yup, then they could have nothing in the way of honey for winter.

Chris
 
Know a few people down here in cornwall that have sold out of ivy honey in previous years! I was helping on a stand at a show and people loved it - ok some others nearly vomited - guess its a bit of a marmite thing!!

I have feed but last year my lot did well on ivy stores that they brought in. 1 colony filled a brood/super with it but used it up nicely by the spring.
 
religion ( "God-given" ) shouldn't come into the equation!,
I use British Sugar, from local factory (about 10 miles away) therefore the 'imported' argument also fails.
Bees are short of stores atm, and I am feeding whilst applying 'apiguard'

this fits in with my 'keeping bees alive' goals

Ok, how about "free".
I'd go along with feeding at any time to keep bees alive, I was only trying to express my disdain for the idea of filling up comb with sugar syrup prior to an ivy flow deliberately to avoid the bees collecting too much ivy honey
 
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