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Why heck I should measure them. What does it help? I do not product polyhives. It is not my business.

I have measured how much a wooden boxes and poly boxes consume winter food. That is much more valid way to measure the value of different hive types.

I am biologist and that is why I handle these things in practical way. As they say IN VIVO..

No one in this forum understand your maths.
Then I will go slow

Find the average temperature difference between inside and outside the hive over the period.
multiply the temperature difference by the lumped conductance and then multipy by the period in seconds.
your answer is number of joules that escapes the cavity
convert joules in to Kg of sugar or honey.

Simple isnt it.
 
Then I will go slow

Find the average temperature difference between inside and outside the hive over the period.
multiply the temperature difference by the lumped conductance and then multipy by the period in seconds.
your answer is number of joules that escapes the cavity
convert joules in to Kg of sugar or honey.

Simple isnt it.

Where I need that wisdom? That is pure kvasi knowledge.

You need not joules when you winter hives.

All you need is to feed the bees.

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So you dont wish to give your bees energy in winter very interesting>

You're on to a looser if you think your cleverer at overwintering bees than finman.
Its so obvious to anyone with substantial experience thats its so much more to do with the bees than the box they're in that arguing over a little hot spot in a hand hold shows deep ignorance of whats relevant imho
 
Its so obvious to anyone with substantial experience thats its so much more to do with the bees than the box they're in that arguing over a little hot spot in a hand hold shows deep ignorance of whats relevant imho

The most important thing in wintering is the bee strain, that is is adapted to local climate and vegetation. No Hawaij or New Zealand colony survive in Finnish nature, but they do well in Britain.


I can say, that every first year beekeeper in Finland can safety over winter hives bees in poly hives, even in half thinner than recent hives.

And well said. Hand hold has not a slightest meaning in wintering.

I use Nacka hives side by side with Finnish hives. Nacka has 2 cm thick wall and Finnish 4 cm. No practical meaning between those hives. Nacka material has been very stiff.

First important is the bee strain. Second important is size of wintering cluster.

The bigger the cluster in spring, the faster the build up that colony start to fill supers early in summer.

Hand hold are very nice when I lift full boxes. I have too self made boxes which do not have hand holds-.


Average winter food is 20 kg sugar per hive, which cost is about £ 8.

Between September and April the colony have consumed 10 kg sugar, and the rest of 10kg is consumed during April and May when the colony lifts temperature to 36C and needs food to produce brood.

The value of winter food is about value of 3 kg honey ( stock price £ 4/kg.)


As you see Derekm, a biologist has much more to say about beekeeping than physic laws.
 
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When I had a bad situation with large wax moth, I noticed that Nacka hive resisted much more better larva biting than Paradise Honey hive.

Nacka's wall thickness is same as 30 years ago.

I have measured the heat escape though the 3 cm wooden box, Nacka wall and Paradise wall. Differencies are clear.

But in wooden hives food store will be finish 3 months earlier than in polyhives. Colonies consume 50% more food in wooden hives than in poly.

Wood in the hive is not dry. Condensation water goes into the wood. Plywood is the coldest material in hives I suppose. Plywood is not porous material and it takes in water 30% of its weight.


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You're on to a looser if you think your cleverer at overwintering bees than finman.
Its so obvious to anyone with substantial experience thats its so much more to do with the bees than the box they're in that arguing over a little hot spot in a hand hold shows deep ignorance of whats relevant imho

The only thing I am arguing is that increased heat loss is not irrelevant. And the heat loss difference here between makes of polystyrene hive is a 45% difference not just a little "hot spot". I will grant that it is dwarfed by the 260% difference from an average poly to standard wooden hive but the OP was asking about polyhives. On the contrary Finman is on to a loser arguing with me over heat transfer. And by his own admission he hasnt used a hive at less than 1.3 W/K so he has no experience of what happens when a hive is less than 1.3W/K,so his assertion "from experience" that its irrelevent, is without basis.
In this universe energy and mass is conserved and heat coming out from a hive has to come from metabolic activity of the bees consuming the bees stores, regardless of the experience of the beekeeper.
 
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I will grant that it is dwarfed by the 260% difference from an average poly to standard wooden hive but the OP was asking about polyhives. .

Grant who?

It means that when stardard wooden hive consumes 20 kg food, polyhive consumes 70 kg . Well, difficult to add something to that.
 
In this universe energy and mass is conserved and heat coming out from a hive has to come from metabolic activity of the bees consuming the bees stores, regardless of the experience of the beekeeper.

That tells that your experinces about different bees are value of zero.

A beekeeper

- sets up the hive confiquration
- order the room of wintering
- selects material
- selects insulation

- selects bee strains
- selects ventilation
- selects wintering Place
-selects wind, bird and snow protection

. selects varroa control

Then he tells to beginner and things go well. We educate our beekeepers and we have quality standards in teaching.

IN FINLAND NO ONE USE STARDARD WOODEN BOXES IN WINTERING:
Bee die in them

Today we got some snow from sky

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The only thing I am arguing is that increased heat loss is not irrelevant. And the heat loss difference here between makes of polystyrene hive is a 45% difference not just a little "hot spot". I will grant that it is dwarfed by the 260% difference from an average poly to standard wooden hive but the OP was asking about polyhives. On the contrary Finman is on to a loser arguing with me over heat transfer. And by his own admission he hasnt used a hive at less than 1.3 W/K so he has no experience of what happens when a hive is less than 1.3W/K,so his assertion "from experience" that its irrelevent, is without basis.
In this universe energy and mass is conserved and heat coming out from a hive has to come from metabolic activity of the bees consuming the bees stores, regardless of the experience of the beekeeper.
I think Finnies hot wind will cause global warming ..:rolleyes:
 

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