Brood nest size most commonly used in the UK

[Finman]

Or Finland to the UK?

That is true. That NIH phenomenom.

When you are so mad with those excluders, it is same what you do out there.

Then for winter you put second brood box. That is odd habit.

Same style since Ice Age.
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I use 3 langstroth brood boxes

 

[Fusion_power]

Semantics is the art of turning a piece of half-raw castrated bull meat into a sizzling hot rib-eye steak.

I wonder if a few of the claptrap and codswallop posters could find less antagonistic words and instead focus on saying something more useful. Perhaps start with "I don't recommend X because....".

 

[Finman]

Or Finland to the UK?

If you look around you, how many country buy brood boxes from Finland. Can you count

 

[Poly Hive]

Consulting a UK forum for Spanish conditions is to my simple mind not the best option.

Certainly when I was a beginner I read about other countries methods and rapidly found they were not really of much use to me as MY conditions and bees were very different.

I would suggest finding a local assoc and even if there are language barriers the hive type should be self evident.

KISS

PH

 

[Finman]

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When I started beekeeping, I made 3 longhives 1965. When my mentor saw them, he said : Burn them".
He recommend American Langstroth standard + mediums.

 

[user 6228]

As regards suitability of bee type and brood sizes see the reference below. Of no surprise that Apis Mellifera Mellifera and close relations do best in short seasons.

Hatjina, F., Costa, C., Büchler, R., Uzuno, A., Drazic, M., Filipi, J., … Kezic, N. (2014). Population dynamics of European honey bee genotypes under different environmental conditions. Journal of Apicultural Research, 53(2), 233–247. http://doi.org/10.3896/IBRA.1.53.2.05

 

[Hivemaker.]

Of no surprise that Apis Mellifera Mellifera and close relations do best in short seasons.

So Finman would get more honey during Finlands short season if he had Amm (black bees) rather than Italian bees (Ligustica).

 

[Finman]

So Finman would get more honey during Finlands short season if he had Amm (black bees) rather than Italian bees (Ligustica).

When I got ridd if Black Bee, my yields records have doubled. And bee stigs have went to 0.0001%

It is typical to pure Black Bee that spring build up is slow.
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[Gilberdyke John]

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When I started beekeeping, I made 3 longhives 1965. When my mentor saw them, he said : Burn them".
He recommend American Langstroth standard + mediums.

My first attempts at woodwork were also dire. I have improved since.

 

[Quis Custodiet]

If you look around you, how many country buy brood boxes from Finland. Can you count

One is pleased to be able to say that we have some Honey Paw hives on order. Have you had experience of these and if so may one ask for your opinion on their suitability for purpose?

 

[Quis Custodiet]

My first attempts at woodwork were also dire. I have improved since.

You will go far!

 

[Finman]

One is pleased to be able to say that we have some Honey Paw hives on order. Have you had experience of these and if so may one ask for your opinion on their suitability for purpose?

I have Paradise Honey boxes, because company is very near me. Honey Paw hives are very similar. During years boath companies have made delicate details to the furnitures. To bees there is no difference but to the beekeeper they have become handy.

I bet that the boxes may be made in same polystyrene factory. Those sellers do not have own poly factories.

I have only 30 years experience about polyhives. And all boxes since 1987 are in normal usage.... Except those which wax moth has transformed to sieve.

Before Finnish produktion I used Swedish Nacka. Their wall is 2 cm thick and in Finnish hives wall is 4 cm. Boath wall thickness works in our climate.
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[user 6228]

One is pleased to be able to say that we have some Honey Paw hives on order. Have you had experience of these and if so may one ask for your opinion on their suitability for purpose?

Look at the hand holds they will create thin spots and if they are as deep as they look, they will lose substantial amounts of heat. They seem a very similar design to the another hive, whose national design in 2012 lost the most heat of all the polystyrene hives I tested.
If you want to see the thermal performance of a range of polystyrene hives and how they compare to wooden national na tree nests read this:

Mitchell, D. (2016). Ratios of colony mass to thermal conductance of tree and man-made nest enclosures of Apis mellifera: implications for survival, clustering, humidity regulation and Varroa destructor. International Journal of Biometeorology, 60(5), 629–638. article. http://doi.org/10.1007/s00484-015-1057-z

 

[Finman]

Look at the hand holds they will create thin spots and if they are as deep as they look will lose substantial amounts of heat. They seem a very similar design to the another finnish hive, whose national design in 2012 lost the most heat of all the polystyrene hives I tested.

You do not realize what you are talking.

How many kilos sugar those handholds waste during 9 months?

How many years Mitchell has nursed bees in cold climate?

- What do you think about Nacka hive Derekm? It does not have hand holds.




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[user 6228]

You do not realize what you are talking.

How many kilos sugar those handholds waste during 9 months?

How many years Mitchell has nursed bees in cold climate?

- What do you think about Nacka hive Derekm? It does not have hand holds.




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How many hives have you measured the thermal conductance?

The best polystyrene measured was 0.91 W/K
the worst was 1.31 W/K
A wooden hive is about 2.59 W/K

 

[Finman]

How many hives have you measured the thermal conductance?

The best polystyrene I measured was 0.91 W/K
the worst was 1.31 W/K
A wooden hive is about 2.59 W/K

That says nothing. Hive has floof and roof and ventilation and the area of surfaces.

How many kilos sugar a hive consumes during winter rest time in 9 months? Insulation saves sugar and how much insulation lenghtens the time that you do not need to feed the hive after Sptember?

How much it consumes sugar in a month when it has no brood?

Have you measured?

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[Finman]

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When Finnish polyhives are so bad, why half of Europe and Russia buy them?

Home many UK polyhives have bee sold outside UK?

 

[user 6228]

That says nothing. Hive has floof and roof and ventilation.

How many kilos sugar a hive consumes during winter rest time in 9 months? Insulation saves sugar and how much insulation lenghtens the time that you do not need to feed the hive after Sptember?

How much it consumes sugar in a month when it has no brood?

Have you measured?

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Can't you do the maths for the heat transfer equation using the lumped conductance and temperature difference ? ... oh sorry you are a biologist you wouldnt know how to do that would you?

 

[Finman]

Can't you do the maths for the heat transfer equation using the lumped conductance and temperature difference ? ... oh sorry you are a biologist you wouldnt know how to do that would you?

Why heck I should measure them. What does it help? I do not product polyhives. It is not my business.

I have measured how much a wooden boxes and poly boxes consume winter food. That is much more valid way to measure the value of different hive types.

I am biologist and that is why I handle these things in practical way. As they say IN VIVO..

No one in this forum understand your maths.

 

[Finman]

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And Derekm. No one can produce honey in your Kingspan boxes. Have you noticed that? How much you get honey per hive?

Have you ever heard a term ergonomics?