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[rogerb]

Thank you for you kind words, I do appreciate them and understand your frustration.

I hope this will clear things up for you;

1. The body’s antibody reaction to produce Immunoglobulin G is the normal antibody reaction and the physical effects of this reduces after each exposure until very little effect is seen, I write this whilst looking at the little red mark by the knuckle of my index finger where one of my girls was good enough to remind me to be more careful in my dealings with her and her sisters last weekend.

2. The body’s antibody reaction to produce Immunoglobulin E is the less desirable start of the abnormal antibody reaction (as in the case of your father) and is more commonly called an allergic reaction. This is the start of a variable chain of events and what to look out for is detailed in my previous post above.

Option 1 happens in the vast majority of cases over 99% of the time, option 2 is very rare however the bad news is that beekeepers are more likely to be allergic than the general public at large, but the good news is beekeepers allergic reaction tends to be less serious than the rest of the general public so you get more warnings.

Don’t ignore the warnings that would be silly, but also don’t panic new beekeepers by overstating the severity of the threat. Panic is statistically far more likely to cause people harm, the scene I’m considering is a very stressed novice on his or her own with a large colony of angry bees all seemly intent on murder (this has certainly happened to me, and will probably happen again!), smoker has just gone out and then gets stung a number of times, you don’t want to add to this any more than you need to is my point or you undo the good you attempted (the law of unintended consequences).

Your view is that my unintended consequence is; beekeepers suffering adverse reactions and coming to harm as a result.
My view is that your unintended consequences are; beekeepers panicking and coming to harm as a result, bees suffering due to absence of proper care and beekeepers giving up beekeeping out of fear.

 

[palmadoc]

Itma I have treated patients in an ITU due to an anaphylaxis and believe me its not a joke.desensitization can be difficult and no withouth risks[it has in most instances got to be done in hospital settings].If you have developed a true anaphylactic response to bee venom the best thing you can do is stay away from bees and carry two doses of 0.5mgr of adrenaline if you are planning to go to country

 

[dpearce4]

Itma I have treated patients in an ITU due to an anaphylaxis and believe me its not a joke.desensitization can be difficult and no withouth risks[it has in most instances got to be done in hospital settings].If you have developed a true anaphylactic response to bee venom the best thing you can do is stay away from bees and carry two doses of 0.5mgr of adrenaline if you are planning to go to country

Sorry palmadoc I don't agree with you about staying away from bees in this case.

I have had full anaphylaxis due to bee stings, I have been going through the desensitization process since January this year (its going well). The Professor doing the treatment has never ever told me to give up beekeeping and he is someone who knows as its his job. He has said that the treatment is 95% effective and for me this seems to be true. I do carry my 2 eppipens at all times as I work teaching gardening to, but luckily haven't needed them since I started the course even though since then I have been stung a few times.

I personally tell people that have had the same issues as me not to give up beekeeping but to get refered to the desensitization course that I am doing. I am more than happy to talk to anyone about my experience if it means that they don't have to give up as its not necessary to with the right treatment.

 

[itma]

Itma I have treated patients in an ITU due to an anaphylaxis and believe me its not a joke.desensitization can be difficult and no withouth risks[it has in most instances got to be done in hospital settings].If you have developed a true anaphylactic response to bee venom the best thing you can do is stay away from bees and carry two doses of 0.5mgr of adrenaline if you are planning to go to country

In all cases that I know of, the individual desensitisation injections have been given at a large hospital.
The regular clinic visits (and associated travelling) are a bugbear.

But in the case of Someone I Used To Know, she had been hospitalised with anaphalaxis, had used a couple of EpiPens, and was more than delighted to react entirely normally (and not systemically) when she got a real sting (from a honeybee but incidentally NOT in the countryside) half way through her initial 12 week course. (My prompting her to ask for the course meant that I did not take up the offer of all her hives. Altruism, eh?)
The present Secretary of one local BKA has had a similarly successful desensitisation.

Dpearce4 ran a 'diary' thread of his own experience, and I strongly suggest that Palmadoc should have a read of it. We are all aware that such treatment can itself bring on reactions - but also that with perseverance, it works.

A bad reaction, even anaphalaxis, really does NOT mean that you necessarily must give up beekeeping. Although you do stand a slight chance of getting medical advice similar to Palmadoc's above.