Autumn mistake and learning from them.

[Curly green fingers]

They divide it because they don't want to work a 1 1/2 brood? If I overwinter with a super on top (stores) I put a QE on first inspection so the queen can't lay in it anymore and it can be used as a honey super when needs be. Doing it early also means that there's no drone brood so they don't get stuck in QE.

You don't have to do the QE sinario once the queen has layed in the half she will generally move down into the brood box anyway.
I've two halfs on some and you can move frames into the lower box and put fresh comb above for stores nectar etc..
We are all different and work our hives in different ways ��

 

[jeff33]

Indeed and I note that you don't use QE. I tried to work with 1 1/2 brood before and didn't really like it. I use dble brood now.

 

[Eyeman]

You don't have to do the QE sinario once the queen has layed in the half she will generally move down into the brood box anyway.
I've two halfs on some and you can move frames into the lower box and put fresh comb above for stores nectar etc..
We are all different and work our hives in different ways ��

Those working brood and 1/2.
That 1/2 brood will have been on the colony during varroa treatment.
Any concerns about then letting the bees fill it with honey once the brood has emerged and extracting that honey?
Same argument for those leaving supers on during winter which have been exposed to varroa treatment in Autumn or Winter.
In general honey supers should come off before using most synthetic, organic acid or essential oil varroa treatments (Formic acid excepted)

 

[Curly green fingers]

Those working brood and 1/2.
That 1/2 brood will have been on the colony during varroa treatment.
Any concerns about then letting the bees fill it with honey once the brood has emerged and extracting that honey?
Same argument for those leaving supers on during winter which have been exposed to varroa treatment in Autumn or Winter.
In general honey supers should come off before using most synthetic, organic acid or essential oil varroa treatments (Formic acid excepted)

I get what your saying I don't extract from frames of stores after treatments have been used , have you tasted thymol yuk !!! ,
Any stores that have to be removed are fed back to the bee's .
In one way or tuther.

 

[Beefriendly]

In general honey supers should come off before using most synthetic, organic acid or essential oil varroa treatments (Formic acid excepted)

You may wish to add Oxalic acid to your exceptions list. Tests after vaporisation on treated vs non treated honey stores showed no increase in OA levels.

 

[Eyeman]

You may wish to add Oxalic acid to your exceptions list. Tests after vaporisation on treated vs non treated honey stores showed no increase in OA levels.

Was referring to the product label!

Special precautions for use in animals
Do the treatments without supers.

 

[Beefriendly]

Aye, fair enough. They have to cover their *****,

 

[Eyeman]

I get what your saying I don't extract from frames of stores after treatments have been used , have you tasted thymol yuk !!! ,
Any stores that have to be removed are fed back to the bee's .
In one way or tuther.

In Wally Shaw's Apiary guide to swarm control.
http://www.wbka.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Swarm-Control-Wally-Shaw.pdf
Page 8 Fig 2c he moves the overwintered 1/2 brood above the QE to then be the first honey super?
That super will contain any treatment given in Autumn or Winter.
Goes against the argument that honey supers should be removed before treatment! No recommendation not to use that honey super for human consumption.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Those working brood and 1/2.
That 1/2 brood will have been on the colony during varroa treatment.
Any concerns about then letting the bees fill it with honey once the brood has emerged and extracting that honey?

Nope, none

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

In Wally Shaw's Apiary guide to swarm control.
http://www.wbka.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Swarm-Control-Wally-Shaw.pdf
Page 8 Fig 2c he moves the overwintered 1/2 brood above the QE to then be the first honey super?
That super will contain any treatment given in Autumn or Winter.

By that time, the super will have been emptied of any winter stores so will not contain any Autumn/winter treatment

 

[fatshark]

You may wish to add Oxalic acid to your exceptions list. Tests after vaporisation on treated vs non treated honey stores showed no increase in OA levels.

Months later (the following Spring after Autumn treatment) if you're referring to the oft misquoted NZ study ... and I'm not sure it was vaporisation.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Months later (the following Spring after Autumn treatment) if you're referring to the oft misquoted NZ study ... and I'm not sure it was vaporisation.

If you are referring to the Radetzki study with 1,509 colonies, it was vaporized oxalic acid.

 

[Beefriendly]

Months later (the following Spring after Autumn treatment) if you're referring to the oft misquoted NZ study ... and I'm not sure it was vaporisation.

No, I was referring to the 2004 Enzo study, done in Rome in 2003. They used both trickling and vaporisation. They analysed OA residue in honey samples withing the 2 month experimental period of Nov-Dec and found no increase above background.

 

[Finman]

As said before, carrot has 100 times more oxalic acid than honey.

You find EU directive when you write into google "oxalic acid residue in honey eu". Year 2004. Vet commitee report.