Aggressive bees....Again

[Bryang]

Me LASI queen hive superseded late last year, came thru the winter well. I have ordered a new queen for the hive... As with all locally mated Q's the workers are very skitterish on the frames, The past couple of weeks they have been getting more aggressive (as most locally mated Q's do) so I have decided they have to be "eliminated"...Because of the proximity to local residents I cant take the risk of waiting for the new Q and the expected 6 weeks for the expected change in behavior, I'll be using the petrol method. Hear come the questions....
Would it be OK to take a couple of frames of brood out of this hive to boost another hive ,or would that be a silly thing to do......
I have recently replaced/added 12 new brood frames, would these be reusable after the petrol?....
All ( please be gentle) advise appreciated

Bryan

 

[Hachi]

If you bring them across the bridge I'll pick them up

 

[B+.]

Would it be OK to take a couple of frames of brood out of this hive to boost another hive ,or would that be a silly thing to do......

The latter.
If the workers are a problem, moving brood to another hive would be moving the problem to another hive.

If you know someone with an out apiary, it wouldn't be necessary to destroy the colony.

 

[xgeordie]

After a particularly bad stinging / following me to car / stinging again I destroyed a colony last week using soapy water. I would definitely not transfer brood. I don't think you could reuse frames contaminated with petrol.

 

[Poly Hive]

The behaviour does NOT take 6 weeks to change.

The change in pheremones caused by changing the queen will bring an almost immediate change in behaviour.

PH

 

[Bryang]

Only one I know is Anduril, And I would not like to palm off these bees onto a friend. also he would be introducing bad genes into his area. I cant use Buckfast in this area because if they swarm or supersede the results are mongrels from hell. have found only one supplier of Q,s that the 2nd generation are not overly aggressive.

 

[Finman]

Would it be OK to take a couple of frames of brood out of this hive to boost another hive ,or would that be a silly thing to do......


Bryan

You make that another hive angry too with half lasi bees.( as B + said)

 

[Erichalfbee]

Only one I know is Anduril, And I would not like to palm off these bees onto a friend. also he would be introducing bad genes into his area. I cant use Buckfast in this area because if they swarm or supersede the results are mongrels from hell. have found only one supplier of Q,s that the 2nd generation are not overly aggressive.

Hivemakers are still good theee generations later; for me at least

 

[Erichalfbee]

You make that another hive angry too with half lasi bees.( as B + said)

I don’t understand that. So you have angry bees which get much less angry if you change your queen, even before her brood emerges. So how is that different from changing the queen for two frames of brood by putting them in a colony with a different queen?

 

[Bryang]

Hivemakers are still good theee generations later; for me at least

Explained in a previous thread some time ago,I have tried Buckies from Two different sources including HM, when their offspring mate with local drones all hell breaks loose. There was a local beekeeper who was very proud of his vicious bees, he never inspected them, only removed the honey. I've been trying to "swamp" the area with drones from Q,s I get from a West Wales breeder to dilute the nasties.

Bryan

 

[Bryang]

After a particularly bad stinging / following me to car / stinging again I destroyed a colony last week using soapy water. I would definitely not transfer brood. I don't think you could reuse frames contaminated with petrol.

How do you do it with soapy water...

Bryan

 

[xgeordie]

I used 2 litres of water and 0.5 litres of washing up liquid in a garden sprayer -
I did not want to use petrol as I thought it too dangerous and could ruin the woodwork.

PM me if you want the details. It was done as a last resort as the bees were dangerous and I was out of options.

 

[B+.]

I have been trying to flood the area with drones....

With the greatest of respect, you aren't going to do that with 4 hives.

 

[Uncle Betty]

Poly Hive The behaviour does NOT take 6 weeks to change.

The change in pheremones caused by changing the queen will bring an almost immediate change in behaviour.

B+ If the workers are a problem, moving brood to another hive would be moving the problem to another hive.

Could someone reconcile these two points of view, please ?

I had thought that changing a queen would bring about a change, and reasonably quickly.


Other than that - petrol, and soapy water... dear me.

 

[Bryang]

With the greatest of respect, you aren't going to do that with 4 hives.

Yes I agree, but I feel I have to try and dilute the problem.

 

[Finman]

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I do not believe that another queen makes bees "better". Why they should do that.

To protect its own hive is very good feature in bees, but it is nasty to humans. That is why bees have sting.

My experience is, that when I put nasty bees into another hives, those nasty guys start to protect nice gang too.


Some years ago I bought 2-box nasty hive, and I donated to six hives from that colony brood frames and bees. Then all seven hives became protective.

And that is not only experience.

 

[B+.]

Could someone reconcile these two points of view, please ?

I had thought that changing a queen would bring about a change, and reasonably quickly.

Two scenarios:
1. Workers are genetically ok, but, queen is not producing enough pheromone. Changing the queen, either by replacing the queen or moving brood to a colony with a young/fertile queen, can have a pronounced and pretty immediate effect.
2. Workers have a genetic disposition toward aggressiveness. Changing the queen will have no effect until these workers are dead

 

[Swarm]

Bryan, it sounds like you are going to have this problem until the other beekeeper gives up or you keep your bees elsewhere. I take it he's the type who can't be reasoned with?
As for change in behaviour, it can be quite fast but not always.

 

[Uncle Betty]

Two scenarios:
1. Workers are genetically ok, but, queen is not producing enough pheromone. Changing the queen, either by replacing the queen or moving brood to a colony with a young/fertile queen, can have a pronounced and pretty immediate effect.
2. Workers have a genetic disposition toward aggressiveness. Changing the queen will have no effect until these workers are dead

OK, thanks for that.

Are colonies of the second type much more difficult to requeen ?

 

[Millet]

I have had angry bees also and the last thing on my mind was to kill them i could never consider it, if it come to that extreme where i could not handle the situation i would give up keeping bees forever, we have a lot of options to try before even thinking of petrol bombing them, and the easiest option that i would consider in that situation would be to Re Queen the hive with a mated Queen every spring, it might cost £35 / £45 but it is a lot better than destroying a super organism that is programed to do what it is good at.