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[user 23129]

Thank you.

 

[pargyle]

Just out of interest - you say the queens are VSH - but you are treating them twice a year for Varroa ? What tests do you do for VSH traits ?

 

[user 23129]

Thank you.

 

[Erichalfbee]

The nucs prices below are for standard national frame nucs.
However, if you'd prefer 14 x 12 frames please contact me.
£250 = F1 VSH Bristish Buckfast 6 frame nuc.
£230 = F1 VSH British Buckfast 5 frame nuc.

Davey
Is this a business?
To be fair you should be a beekeeping supporter to be posting anything other than the odd surplus nuc
https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/threa...unity-become-a-supporting-member-today.54369/

 

[user 23129]

Thank you.

 

[Erichalfbee]

No, it's not a business

Nevertheless. There its a lot of leeway advertising here especially with established members who are generous with their advice and time but I really do think newcomers who advertise should pay their subs.
And just to be clear...these nucs are headed by open mated queens and you haven't tested their VSH?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

just local mongrels basically

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

We are located in East Cornwall, near Bodmin Moor, close to Launceston.

a mere hop away from the Ginsters real Cornish pasty factory

 

[Erichalfbee]

just local mongrels basically

Well F1 Buckfast. The sort you get from the usual suppliers but you can’t claim they are VSH unless you know and that needs a season surely. You can only say they are from VSH open mated.

 

[user 23129]

Thank you

 

[user 23129]

Thank you.

 

[Erichalfbee]

How would you like me to pay for this advert I've slightly reworded the advert for clarity and to avoid any confusion. Thank you for your feedback.

This is the link
https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/threa...unity-become-a-supporting-member-today.54369/

 

[Gingerbread]

Hello.

As stated, the offspring of these nucs are from instrumentally inseminated VSH F0 Buckfast breeder queens, therefore wouldn't you agree that the offspring are F1 Buckfast's?

So, from your theory, every bee that is not instrumentally inseminated, island mated or mated within areas of 'extreme' isolation are merely mongrels, regardless of lineage?

If you're referring to the fact that Buckfast aren't a naturally evolved species and that their original genes are from a mix of bees, I see your point, however they are now officially known as Buckfast's.

I understand that the term F1 is not pure, just an easy term to describe lineage. I'm guessing after reading your comment that you wouldn't use the term F1 at all, just mongrels?

So you believe that most well renowned suppliers are only selling mongrels 'branded' as F1? Are your bees are 'just' local mongrels? I'm always happy to hear viewpoints and ready to listen with an open mind

Kind regards,
Davey

Not of any real help, but how I look at the term F1 (from years ago keeping and breeding tropical fish).
F1 were the offspring from wild pure fish, that were brought to the UK and mated. It meant first generation from native 'true' varieties. F2 were bred from F1's.
My bees could never be classed as F1, or F2 even. Just bees. Yes, they came from a true bee variety once, but that would be many years (decades even) ago.
My new queen's will go out and mate with whatever drones can catch her.
If you have a true species of honey bee, and can confirm only the queen's same species mated her, and she was not allowed to go out flying, then perhaps the F1 term could be used correctly.

 

[Curly green finger's]

Not of any real help, but how I look at the term F1 (from years ago keeping and breeding tropical fish).
F1 were the offspring from wild pure fish, that were brought to the UK and mated. It meant first generation from native 'true' varieties. F2 were bred from F1's.
My bees could never be classed as F1, or F2 even. Just bees. Yes, they came from a true bee variety once, but that would be many years (decades even) ago.
My new queen's will go out and mate with whatever drones can catch her.
If you have a true species of honey bee, and can confirm only the queen's same species mated her, and she was not allowed to go out flying, then perhaps the F1 term could be used correctly.

It could be 15 - 30 drones of different linage that your f0 queens have mated with , if you have certain control over what linage of drone you might get near that f1 ?