Use of MAQS and the occurrance of Drone layers

[sherwood]

For the second year running I have used MAQS in August and for the second year running almost immediately I have had Queens turn Drone layer after the application of the treatment.
Last year it was 4 out of 16 this year 3 out of 18 turned drone layer. I run both National and Commercial hives and whereas I will put the recommended 2 strips into a Commercial I will only put 1 in a national. These immediate turn to drone layers has happened in both types.
I have found that during treatments it is not unusual for the Queen to go off lay, but start immediately after treatment removal so the gap in laying pattern is obvious to an experienced beekeeper as is occurrance of of drone cells when they are sealed eight days later.
Anybody else have a similar story.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Apparently formic acid can make drones infertile, maybe in some circumstances it can have the same effect on queens.

 

[user 15607]

Not had any drone laying problems but had two out of seven hives turn nasty immediately after MAQS, and still are!

 

[Erichalfbee]

For the second year running I have used MAQS in August and for the second year running almost immediately I have had Queens turn Drone layer after the application of the treatment.
Last year it was 4 out of 16 this year 3 out of 18 turned drone layer. I run both National and Commercial hives and whereas I will put the recommended 2 strips into a Commercial I will only put 1 in a national. These immediate turn to drone layers has happened in both types.
I have found that during treatments it is not unusual for the Queen to go off lay, but start immediately after treatment removal so the gap in laying pattern is obvious to an experienced beekeeper as is occurrance of of drone cells when they are sealed eight days later.
Anybody else have a similar story.

I used MAQS the year it was licensed in the UK...or maybe the year after...
I thought I was being "modern"
I lost 2 queens but in those days that was 50%
Time to use something else?
OAV?

 

[sherwood]

I used MAQS the year it was licensed in the UK...or maybe the year after...
I thought I was being "modern"
I lost 2 queens but in those days that was 50%
Time to use something else?
OAV?

If you use nationals Vita moded the instructions I believe to using only 1 strip in these hives, 2 strips appeared to be too much for a national hive to cope with resulting in lost queens.. The original testing I believe was undertaken on langstroths which have a 25 % greater brood volume.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Yes I am aware of the change.
I looked up my records
Used in 2013. I would already be on 14x12s

 

[sherwood]

I used MAQS the year it was licensed in the UK...or maybe the year after...
I thought I was being "modern"
I lost 2 queens but in those days that was 50%
Time to use something else?
OAV?

If OAV is meant to allude to Oxalic Acid , I use this in sublimated form in Feb-March but sh!! dont tell the NBU

 

[Erichalfbee]

If OAV is meant to allude to Oxalic Acid , I use this in sublimated form in Feb-March but sh!! dont tell the NBU

Tell them....just use Apibioxal.

Perhaps we should all complain to the monopolies commission ?

 

[sherwood]

Tell them....just use Apibioxal.

Perhaps we should all complain to the monopolies commission ?

I also wont tell them that I make my own thymol recipe either

 

[Millet]

I also wont tell them that I make my own thymol recipe either

I will,, infact i will phone them now that is unless you don't tell them i have a distillery on the go.. lol

 

[Erichalfbee]

I will,, infact i will phone them now that is unless you don't tell them i have a distillery on the go.. lol

No need
SBIs stalk the forum

 

[enrico]

Three hives treated with MAQS. No queen loss or laying gap.
However....... Last time I will use it as just bought a vapouriser.
E

 

[maddydog]

I used MAQS the year it was licensed in the UK...or maybe the year after...
I thought I was being "modern"
I lost 2 queens but in those days that was 50%
Time to use something else?
OAV?

Used maqs the first year it appeared, I lost 1 from 4. Still got an almost full bucket of it somewhere

 

[Erichalfbee]

Used maqs the first year it appeared, I lost 1 from 4. Still got an almost full bucket of it somewhere

I still have some
Time to put it on the compost heap.
At least it might keep the wasps away

 

[maddydog]

I still have some
Time to put it on the compost heap.
At least it might keep the wasps away

I've added it to the pile of expensive beekeeping mistakes