Up to 70% less than 10 days old leave with swarm

[beeno]

Controversial!!!! I personally try to prevent swarms as much as possible when 1 gets away I am not overly bothered about it’s composition.....

I am interested in this because it makes the AS part of a Pagen brutal and I prefer to work with the bees.

 

[Murox]

Guilty of leaving out "up to" and you have just left out "less than". Not the same Seeley quote that I was referring to.

Which of his works/papers are you referring to ?

 

[beeno]

I did, but in your eagerness to attack me as is your wont ...

If there ever was a case for "pot calling the kettle black" that is it Jenkins. Read the OP again. Your misogynistic ramblings have made me wonder whether it is Alzheimers related and then I happened upon your quote about "SWMBO not letting me anywhere near her" which kinda explains it I think, but then I am not a man.

 

[beeno]

Paranoid? I gave up bothering trying to correct your lack of knowledge many moons ago!
I was trying to add some facts to the debate, I never mentioned anything about bees under 10 days old. But I will now having re-read Winston
What Winston observed and published was that up to 70% of the current bees under 10 days old within the hive leave with the swarm. Not that 70% of the swarm is composed of bees under 10 days.
A subtle but important differentiation.

Easy to see how the OP made his mistake.

AND there was light - many thanks for explaining it so simply. There is an art in that. Sadly, my erroneous interpretation is often quoted in 'academic' papers.

 

[Swarm]

Someone shoot me now pls...................

Not that I'd be interested but I wonder what percentage of the percentage return to the hive?

 

[Beefriendly]

Given that swarming bees under 10 days old have never orientated to the hive they swarmed from.....well I think you can answer the question you aren't interested in by yourself now.

Why do you think swarms have no residual memory of their original hive location?....well a large percentage of them anyway.

 

[SDM]

If you have witnessed a swarm leaving a hive and clustering on a nearby branch etc you may have also witnessed quite a few bees actually coming back to the hive from the settled swarm. These are, I suggest, older bees fully orientated to the hive position and surrounding area.

Given that the scouts are amongst those older bees what would prevent them returning? Swarm staging posts are attractive to bees for some time after. Id say its equally likely that any bees leaving the swarm are just returning foragers "sucked in" by the masses of nasanov briefly before realising they hadnt got home yet.

 

[For want of a better word]

What does it matter on the percentage of bee ages in a Swarm..if you can control 95% of your colonies from swarming you do not have to worry about pointless statistics..mind you i read recently that bees will pull the wings of a worker and stick them on a clipped Queen with propalis and then swarm with two princesses to accompany the Queen..

Must have been Yates in the recommended reading list for the BBKA basic exam

Yeghes da