This years honey prices!!

[Hivemaker.]

Bitter please.

Would taste better, but would not weigh the same as a pint of mercury.

 

[Dishmop]

Would taste better, but would not weigh the same as a pint of mercury.

or shrimps..

 

[Hivemaker.]

or shrimps..

In brine, or dry.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Its also to do with weight somewhere along the line.

16 oz in a pint and a lb I think.

Imperial pint of water weighs 20 fluid ounces. (Rhyme = "A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter.")

Wikipedia has the history of the measurements, I presume it's true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon

Shrimps - yum!

 

[charlievictorbravo]

Meanwhile, back on topic ....

I've just returned from a trip to Australia where I found the cost of food and clothing and pretty much everything else to be very high - except for honey.

I bought a kilo of local honey at a farmers' market in Noosa, Queensland, for 10.00AUD, which is about £2.55 a pound. Aldi was selling specialist Aussi honeys (Blue Gum Honey, Yellow Box Honey and Tasmanian Leatherwood Honey for, I think 4.50AUD for 400 gms, which is about £2.87 a pound. I suspect the low price is a reflection of market forces i.e. supply and demand, with warm climates and long foraging season giving large honey crops. There was no evidence of any imports from Asian countries such as India, Vietnam and China.

The local honey cooperative here in Cornwall wholesales to shops for £4.15 for 12 oz and retails to the public for £5.50, which is the recommended retail price for the shops. Most of last year's crop has been sold.

CVB

 

[Dishmop]

Imperial pint of water weighs 20 fluid ounces. (Rhyme = "A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter.")

Wikipedia has the history of the measurements, I presume it's true. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon

Shrimps - yum!

Is there a rhyme for the US one?

 

[johnandyrob]

Is there a rhyme for the US one?

A us pint weighs a little light
A pint of water weighs just short of a pound and a quarter

 

[johnandyrob]

A us quart dont weight what it orta

 

[alanf]

I've just returned from a trip to Australia...I suspect the low price is a reflection of market forces i.e. supply and demand, with warm climates and long foraging season...

Australia is a net exporter of most foods. Lots of land, fewer people to feed. Honey prices locally probably reflect what they could get as bulk sales for export. Prices of most food was traditionally low, but as in other countries, there have been protests that the larger supermarkets were using their domination to rack up price. Travelling around Aus, agriculture is a much greater part of the economy than in the UK. Major regional press has big agriculture sections, farming has a lot more news coverage than here. The range of climate from Tasmania to Far North Queensland means they can be self sufficient in most foods from dairy to tropical fruit. Food imports are very restricted, even around the country. The claim is that the regulations are for disease protection, and that's generally valid but there are cases where there's a suspicion of protectionism. For examples look out the stories of some trying to import specialist cheeses.

 

[Dishmop]

Is there any difference in 8oz of honey and 8 fluid oz of honey?

 

[FreeFall]

Is there any difference in 8oz of honey and 8 fluid oz of honey?

Yes. One is mass while the other is volume. 8 fl oz of honey will 'weigh' a lot more than 8 oz.

 

[Dishmop]

Yes. One is mass while the other is volume. 8 fl oz of honey will 'weigh' a lot more than 8 oz.

Not have delved into it myself.. when you put the weight on a jar does it have to say "weight 8oz" or just "8 oz"?

 

[FreeFall]

Not have delved into it myself.. when you put the weight on a jar does it have to say "weight 8oz" or just "8 oz"?

Well, when you do delve into it you will find that the weight has to be in grams although you can also put the weight in ounces/pounds.

More than you'll ever want to know, here

 

[Dishmop]

Well, when you do delve into it you will find that the weight has to be in grams although you can also put the weight in ounces/pounds.

More than you'll ever want to know, here

Ah. Yes. Right. EU fluid grams then....



actaully just had a quick look and cant anything about weights/labelling

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Australia is a net exporter of most foods.

When the US banned the import of Chinese honey, they turned to Australia, but one day someone realised that they were importing more honey from Australia than the country produced - turns out they were importing Chinese honey then exporting it to the US as Australia's finest!!

I've just returned from a trip to Australia where I found the cost of food and clothing and pretty much everything else to be very high - except for honey.
CVB

Probably because it was misdescribed cheap Chinese 'honey'

There was no evidence of any imports from Asian countries such as China.

CVB

Probably because it's re-labelled and exported to the US!!!

. I suspect the low price is a reflection of market forces i.e. supply and demand, with warm climates and long foraging season giving large honey crops.
CVB

Or the fact it's supplemented by cheap Ch..................

 

[itma]

...
actaully just had a quick look and cant anything about weights/labelling

That's because weight labelling is simply referred across from Section 1.4 (b)

See the BBKA guidance. They do have a few things wrong though.
See Section 4.6 of the guidance notes to the honey regulations, for one thing the BBKA have got twisted. For 'direct sales' it is the "country of origin" statement that is optional (hey, you are buying it from the producer so you KNOW wher it comes from!) and not (as the BBKA state) the Lot ID and Durability Indication (best before).

Have a go searching this forum, there just might be one or two threads about labelling. Really!

 

[BeeJayBee]

Is there any difference in 8oz of honey and 8 fluid oz of honey?

Yes. One is mass while the other is volume. 8 fl oz of honey will 'weigh' a lot more than 8 oz.

An easy way to find the difference, or compare, is to fill (to same mark as honey would be) an honey jar with water, and then tip the water into a measuring jug.

EU fluid grams then....

Umm, grams are mass. Litres are volume.

 

[Dishmop]

The reason asked is because its annoying that some jar makers refer to their products as being ***ml and some as **oz.

 

[itma]

The reason asked is because its annoying that some jar makers refer to their products as being ***ml and some as **oz.

Unless the jar is being sold *specifically* as a "honey jar", ignore any weight indication. (Jam is less dense than honey.)

Take the jar capacity in ml (=cc) and multiply by 1.4 to find the weight of honey in grams that it will hold.
So a jar that holds 200 ml will hold 200 x 1.4 = 280 grams of honey (but maybe only 230g of jam.)

Remember that, despite UKIP, the weight in grams is the definitive version!

227g is close to 8 oz (so honey needs about 163 ml jar capacity)
340g for 12 oz (so about 244 ml)
454g for 16 oz (so about 325 ml)

Hope that helps.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Thanks for that handy calculation, Itma.
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