swarm etiquette

[B+.]

Would you be covered by the BBKA insurance if you are a member, but not on the swarm collection list?

I would have thought the fact that you can quote your BBKA number would be enough. The swarm collectors list is there to help people find someone near them who can help.

 

[Thymallus]

hank you for the information of the legal ownership of the bees, very interesting. Like you said never had problems in getting permission to collect them.

It is slightly complicated by an old Roman Law (it is supposed to have never been altered) that says a swarm of bees remain the property of the beekeeper as long as they were kept in sight from when they issued from the hive (or something like that). However you still need to ask permission from the owner of the land they have settled on to retrieve them.
It's something to do with intention to return, a stray dog/cat/cow/sheep is still the property of the owner, but as a swarm of bees does not intend to return.......

 

[Sadders]

It is slightly complicated by an old Roman Law (it is supposed to have never been altered) that says a swarm of bees remain the property of the beekeeper as long as they were kept in sight from when they issued from the hive (or something like that). However you still need to ask permission from the owner of the land they have settled on to retrieve them.
It's something to do with intention to return, a stray dog/cat/cow/sheep is still the property of the owner, but as a swarm of bees does not intend to return.......

So what if they settle in your bait hive and have come from the same apiary?

 

[Thymallus]

You then have to donate them to the nearest Newcastle supporter who keeps bees as a matter of etiquette. Old Geordie law.

 

[B+.]

Old Geordie law.

Is that a Bobby Thompson law?

 

[Thymallus]

As you cross the border into Jockland it's then know as Denis Law....

 

[B+.]

As you cross the border into Jockland it's then know as Denis Law....

The footballer? The little waster was hilarious!

 

[Sadders]

You then have to donate them to the nearest Newcastle supporter who keeps bees as a matter of etiquette. Old Geordie law.

Nee chance marra ;-)

 

[thorn]

It is slightly complicated by an old Roman Law (it is supposed to have never been altered) that says a swarm of bees remain the property of the beekeeper as long as they were kept in sight from when they issued from the hive (or something like that)

We've been through it on this forum many times. Kerry v Pattinson, Court of Appeal, 1938. Roman law was used in argument by the unsuccessful Appellant's counsel, who quoted Justinian: nec difficilis eius persecutio est (ask JBM). The Court ruled that the bees belonged to the owner of the hive from which they swarmed so long as they were in his sight and he had the power to pursue them. In that case the beekeeper's neighbour refused him permission to come onto his land to recover them, until too late. The beekeeper sued his neighbour for the value of the bees, put at £4, and added a claim for further and other relief, whatever that might have been.

So if your bees swarm onto my land, I'll forbid you entry and hive them up myself. They will then become mine but you can have them back for a smallish consideration, as I don't really want your swarmy bees.

 

[thorn]

And by the way, Thymallus, it's an East Riding case. Who but a Yorkshireman....

 

[Gilberdyke John]

And by the way, Thymallus, it's an East Riding case. Who but a Yorkshireman....

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Indeed!

 

[Thymallus]

And by the way, Thymallus, it's an East Riding case. Who but a Yorkshireman....

I'm sure I don't know what you mean!!