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I watched a short video clip a while ago by the Fat Bee Man , most of what he say's and does makes sense to me but this particular clip on queen excluders has my thoughts 50/50 weather to use one or not, what do you experienced folk think about it, i know he says make your own mind up as to weather you want to use them or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1XJT-yVZPE
 
I watched a short video clip a while ago by the Fat Bee Man , most of what he say's and does makes sense to me but this particular clip on queen excluders has my thoughts 50/50 weather to use one or not, what do you experienced folk think about it, i know he says make your own mind up as to weather you want to use them or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1XJT-yVZPE

Still trying to decide whether it's a good move or not. This spring was cold and queens in hives without excluders laid in the top supers....warmer. Often don't use them on the heather with little problem. But not sure of the disadvantages of having them there. The advantage being you know which box(es)the queen is in....usually.
 
I tried it a couple of years ago and only on one hive so not the best experiment.

I won't be trying it any time soon as it did not work for me. It was a big double brood hive with loads of space for the queen and two full supers with the first fully capped and a third and fourth about to be fitted. They say the capped honey acts as a queen excluder don't they?? not in my case as over about five weeks slowly the queen moved up into two supers and started on the third before starting to move back down. The bottom super ended up with 50% brood before finally refitting the queen excluder allowing time for brood to emerge and back filling of combs.

My problem was worry about the queen breaking down eventually five supers to get to the top bb and having to check the bottoms of the supers with brood for queen cells I just worried the queen could be anywhere and I have a greater risk of injuring her along with if she just so happens to be in the bottom super she may just be pushed down into the other supers as I have the hive apart.

It works great for some but don't think it's for me. However this hive was going to be a big hive but outperformed other simikar hives in the apiary.
 
Be interesting to here from commercial beeks if they use them?

I know someone who stopped using them a few years ago and she swears they are a waste of time once you get your head around the idea.

I use them, I may try it on one hive next year.
 
Be interesting to here from commercial beeks if they use them?

I know someone who stopped using them a few years ago and she swears they are a waste of time once you get your head around the idea.

I use them, I may try it on one hive next year.
I'm led to believe that folk who use the rose hive method do not use them.
 
I'm led to believe that folk who use the rose hive method do not use them.

Quite a few people don't use them full stop.

I use them because I *think* it keeps the hive neat and tidy. There have been times when the queen has gotten into the top boxes and it has felt very messy.

I'm tempted to try a hive without one just to see what happens.
 
I watched a short video clip a while ago by the Fat Bee Man , most of what he say's and does makes sense to me but this particular clip on queen excluders has my thoughts 50/50 weather to use one or not, what do you experienced folk think about it, i know he says make your own mind up as to weather you want to use them or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1XJT-yVZPE

Most clips of the fat bee man I've seen he's talking somewhere between tripe and rubbish - salt licks for bees - whatever next.
anyway, back to queen excluders - i like them, I can work well with them as can the bees - I think you'll find a good cross section of commercials in this country use them as well - I know Chris B does
 
Most clips of the fat bee man I've seen he's talking somewhere between tripe and rubbish - salt licks for bees - whatever next.
anyway, back to queen excluders - i like them, I can work well with them as can the bees - I think you'll find a good cross section of commercials in this country use them as well - I know Chris B does

not worthynot worthynot worthy good call!!
I find the FBM amusing!

few little gems occasional he will spark an idea of how to do something in a different way!

Queen excluders... now only use them for queen rearing as I use a q+ method and would not want HM knocking off the young 'uns!

If she wants to lay in a super I let her... and rename it brood + 1/2


Cheers
 
Queen laying in the super

not worthynot worthynot worthy good call!!
I find the FBM amusing!

few little gems occasional he will spark an idea of how to do something in a different way!

Queen excluders... now only use them for queen rearing as I use a q+ method and would not want HM knocking off the young 'uns!

If she wants to lay in a super I let her... and rename it brood + 1/2


Cheers

I agree Icanhopit, although many disagree.

For me theres more than a couple of things i think about. Sometimes the queen is filling the middle section of the first and sometimes even the second super. If she lays in these upper sections, i dont mind, but the problem is that when we have harvest, and we have to harvest!!!!!!( before crystallisation), the supers are full of honey and 3 to four frames of brood!!( but this does depend on the year and flow)
What do you do with the brood. Some say extract it and put it back on and it hatches out still after extraction??? Well i didn't try this but i will next i year!! surely severely deformed bees? I has anyone tried this!!!

I thought about this problem of spare brood for a few weeks and then after looking at "Queen rearing in the sustainable apiary" for the nine millionth time, it dawned on me that instead of harvesting brood i could easily harvest brood from supers and use this as extra brood going in to my cell builder, You have to be organised and collect up brood, make a decision about what you would harvest for honey and what you would harvest for brood. Once you've made that decision you simply select a hive in the apiary and put all the supers full of brood above an excluder. Thats your free resource that might have otherwise been wasted.

Re queen Barrier, I didn't use one at all this year and yes i did have a fair bit of brood in my supers (as i explained above) but our spring nectar flow was so strong that mostly bees went up with lots of nectar faster than the queen could lay so we got a great harvest.
My colleague who has mostly Buckfast genetics in his colonies, does use excluders and he claims that his bees dont mind going through an excluder, whereas i would say that our local AMM generally hate a queen barrier and your better off without it, as the bees won't go through it.
Whats better, Honey in your supers and some brood, or your bees hanging from the trees!! (Quote Michael Palmer)

Theres no doubt in my mind that all colonies need to have a queen with unlimited access to all parts of the hive, its up to us to work around this! I feel it creates more trouble than its worth!! Other opinions will differ for sure!
Summer is not a problem for us, as generally the queen reduces her laying and most brood hatches out, just before the harvest and often you can see two layers in the supers where brood was and has been replaced later on, making two clear different flavours of honey in each comb!! interesting!

One thing i will say that is a benefit of using an excluder is that it allows using a bee escape more effectively. If you have brood and you put a bee escape beneath a super with brood the bees are less reluctant to leave!, well thats what we found!
 
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I always place the first super on without a queen excluder, when the bees are established then I slip an excluder on. More often than not the queen has layer up a couple of frames. As for the honey flow preventing the queen from entering the supers, in this part of the world the nectar flows are very unreliable excluders are a must
 
What do you do with the brood. Some say extract it and put it back on and it hatches out still after extraction??? Well i didn't try this but i will next i year!! surely severely deformed bees? I has anyone tried this!!!
Yes you will get deformed bees.
Splattered in with the honey.
 
Simply move frames filling with honey and no eggs/ brood up [ generally towards the outside] and replace with any with eggs and brood filling the brood and 1/2 box???

Yeghes da
 
Plain Plywood Queen Excluder

Would all of the above remarks apply to a plywood QX - http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/excludertypes.html

With this piece of gear, there is no physical barrier stopping the queen moving up - just the 'quasi-psychological' (?) issue of the queen venturing out to the far extremities of her domain within the brood box.

CVB
 

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