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stephenpug

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Bellac dept 87 France
Hive Type
National
Number of Hives
none at the moment but will be getting langstroth
Hi I am in France at the moment and have found a shop selling hives all well made roof 2 supers 1 brood etc at a tempting price but which one should I go for ???
 
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I cannot see any advantage in Dadant. Different frames are only a nuisance.

You there in France has such winters that at least winter does not demand Dadant.

Many our professionals here use only Langstrot Mediums, beause they are light to handle and
flexiple to change combs between super and brood boxes.

I have see only difficulties in Dadant. Yes, they are used everywhere but Langstroth is world wide most popular.

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One thing to watch out for is the frame depth.
The names and depths are not brilliantly standardised internationally!

Sidebar lengths in Thorns catalogue are given as
Langstroth: 5 and 3/8, 9 and 1/8 and 11 and 1/4 inches.
Dadant: 6 and 1/4 and 11 and 1/4 inches
Thorns (and I) hope you have a British ruler with you, because they don't give the metric dimensions.


In general Dadants seem to take root, they don't move much!
 
Hi I am in France at the moment and have found a shop selling hives all well made roof 2 supers 1 brood etc at a tempting price but which one should I go for ???

Ok honest opinion time . I have English Langstroth , these are not the same size as the rest of Europe or the rest of the world , the same applies to French Dadant and other Dadant variations . So my comments are based on English Langstroth and French Dadant only and so to let you know I spend spring and summer in France and the rest of the time in the Uk
The English Langstroth brood frame is smaller than the French Dadant brood , the supers works out about the same area , the French Dadant being slightly shorter in length but deeper . If you want a couple of pics i will take them for you .


The cost is the major difference , which you have now discovered , the only drawback is when you want more bits you have to do a trip across the channel . If you plan ahead it will work but there may be the odd occasion when you need a bit and you do not have it . When you come to extraction , my extractor takes both sizes of frames , but you will need to check yours .
Personally the cost difference is so vast that i am converting to Dadant frames , and building Langstroth footprint hives which take Dadant parts . This way the costs drops and i can keep all my present equipment . Also allows me to go out and get French bits locally , like a nuc if needed and then swap the parts to the main hive , things you may have to consider .
You will also have to consider resale value as not many in the Uk have French Dadant but there have been several cases on Ebay where people thought they had bought Langstroths which were in fact Dadants and paid English prices .

hope that helps .
 
English Langstroth! Langstroth is American, not English. Bastardisation of hive sizes is abhorrent! Stick to the standards and one at least knows where they stand; fiddling with minor dimensions is just that - fiddling.

At least Englsh standard Nationals have only one set of dimensions.

How many on the forum are befuddled by these odd dimensions? Quite a lot, I suspect.

KISS principe works. Little wonder the British Standard National is so popular in the UK.
 
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Yes, world is full of all kind of boxes.

What is best? Question is stupid when you know how many they are.

langtroth has guite good ergonometry when a beekeeper works.

Dadant is popular in Eastern Europe because it is difficult to steal.
 
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Dadant is popular in Eastern Europe because it is difficult to steal.

Not worth stealing , I came across a hive builder on the net from Bulgaria which was selling Dadant hives at 35 euros for a new complete Dadant with super, that includes the frames, roof and base . 10 to the pallet you pay for the transport . They also did Langstroths for 37 Euros .
With £150+ for a national in the Uk , you can understand why Europe has not gone over to the Uk national hive .
 
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I bought new medium boxes 10 euros/piece a month ago.
Frames were 0.50 a piece.

It is 8,60 as pounds.

I wonder what these guys here pay for medium boxes. Money seems to mean nothing to them.

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Not worth stealing , I came across a hive builder on the net from Bulgaria which was selling Dadant hives at 35 euros for a new complete Dadant with super, that includes the frames, roof and base . 10 to the pallet you pay for the transport . They also did Langstroths for 37 Euros .
With £150+ for a national in the Uk , you can understand why Europe has not gone over to the Uk national hive .

Somebody do it and takes the money.

You must only make a feeling to hobbyist: "MONEY MEANS NOTHING!"
 
Not worth stealing , I came across a hive builder on the net from Bulgaria which was selling Dadant hives at 35 euros for a new complete Dadant with super, that includes the frames, roof and base . 10 to the pallet you pay for the transport . They also did Langstroths for 37 Euros .
With £150+ for a national in the Uk , you can understand why Europe has not gone over to the Uk national hive .

I would be interested in the details of the Bulgarian please
 
"I would be interested in the details of the Bulgarian please"

similar pricing to italian flatpacked dadants:

http://www.casagrandecuppoloni.it/pdf/LISTINO_APICOLTURA_2013_UTILIZZATORE.pdf

you can get a brood with fixed OMF, porch and metalwork for €30 - just needs crownboard and roof. (solo nido, smontato)

13 euros for a high sided crowbboard (coprifavo) with 4 way disc over the feeder hole. the high sides allowing shallow feeder to be used (or as i have found - to slot the CB over the porch entrance in snow)

12.50 for a roof (coperchio)
 
Just been to have another look it is a dadant omf brood box 1 super all the frames and roof €130 but looks like pine so I don't think I will bother just stick to what I have got :)
 
"looks like pine"

that's what most of the european stuff is made from.
Had a pine national from F Planet some years ago, good exercise in trying to keep it together due to extreme warping of unseasoned timber. Bees happy as there are numerous entry points
 

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