Extraction problem.......

[Brigsy]

Me again Sorry.

I had a couple of fully capped frames and a new Mai*****e two frame plastic spinner to play with. So I brushed the frames off and pottered home full of hope. Cut the cappings off and inserted into the cradle. The super frames don't sit vertically and lean over at about 60 degrees. (Is this normal?)

So, spinning commence, nice and slow Rodney etc. Nothing is really happening so build up the tempo. And pop, both frames have blown out. So, crush and strain it is and no frame for next year. The temperature was 20c.

Any thoughts? These are fresh frames this year being my first.

One thought I had was I snipped the lower two v's of wire on the frame that poke below the bottom bars, as it seemed a good idea, making scraping brace comb from the bottom easier. Didn't even think about weakening the foundation for spinning. (Although they didn't sag out at the bottom, it was at the top third)

Any ideas guys and gals?

Cheers

 

[Truble]

You mention 60o angle of frames. Where the frames resting flush against the mesh basket sides? or was there a gap? If there was a gap therein may lie part of your problem. No support for the wax.
With tangential extraction you often need to do three spins per frame even when flush agaisnt the mesh. One to just extract some, but not all of the honey from one side, turn over and fully extract the next side. You now have less weight pressing down onto the side you are fully extracting. Finish, turn over and extract the rest. Hope that makes sense.
My advice would be to save for a radial extractor, you can then use thin unwired foundation for all your frames or simply starter strips.

 

[Brigsy]

Hi. The frames were against the outside of the cage but not straight. Leant over a bit.

Thanks for the three spin tip.

 

[Swarm]

What he said, regarding 3 spins and flush to cage. Plus, those two wire loops below the bottom bars ... Bend them back to the wax before fitting the last bottom bar and they are out of your way between the two bars.

Edit:
Do not crank too fast either, it's not necessary. I spin unwired combs no problem at all.

 

[Brigsy]

Thanks


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[Brigsy]

Any tips for getting honey out the bloomin frames, doing as suggested above and got frustrated and blew one frame out. Been spinning another two for about twenty minutes so far and they are still loaded.......Beekeeping is frustrating at the moment.

 

[enrico]

Sounds to me as though your honey has crystallised in the frames, hence no flow of honey out of the frames but they keep disintegrating. When did you remove them from the hives and where have you sorted them?

 

[Brigsy]

Today. About an hour ago. So is it crush and strain then?

 

[Erichalfbee]

I agree with enrico's. Crystallised cells. You might not have OSR but have you got raspberry?

 

[deanrpwaacs]

You do have the top of the frame on the outside closest to the extractor wall i take it .

 

[Brigsy]

I think some allotments nearby have raspberries.

The frames go in at about a 60 degree angle so I have the top bar facing the same way as if you put them in a super, just slanted.

 

[Brigsy]

I had two frames of cut comb. I've just noticed one has run from the comb and the other frames comb has remained in the cells.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I think some allotments nearby have raspberries.

The frames go in at about a 60 degree angle so I have the top bar facing the same way as if you put them in a super, just slanted.

this is confusing - the top bars aren't meant to be horizontal in an extractor but vertical - these 'two frame' extractors usually hold four shallow frames, two each side of the centre axis, one lug points down in a convenient space so that the side bars sit horizontally across the bottom, locate the frames along the outside of the cage so that (probably) the top of the frames will tilt inwards towards the centre, when you start spinning they will stand vertically pushing against the outside of the cage.

 

[Brigsy]

Thanks. I shall have a proper read of your post once I've had my supper!

 

[enrico]

I agree with JBM , sounds like you are putting frames in wrong. Look at a few pictures. A radial extractor has the top bar running top to bottom closest to the bucket like the spoke of a wheel. A tangential still has the top bar running top to bottom but this time the frame is flat to the side of the basket resting against the cage. This type needs the frame turning round to put each flat side against the cage alternately.
A photo would help us
E

 

[Brigsy]

I'm explaining myself badly I shall take a photo.

 

[Brigsy]

They can either go like this, or the next section along but at a slight angle.

 

[enrico]

I am sure someone will help now the photo is there. I have never used one like that so I am afraid I dare not comment in case I totally confuse things. Gut reaction? Turn the frame through 90 degrees so the flat side is where the top bar is now and put another frames diagonally opposite. But as i say i could be very wrong! Good luck
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[jenkinsbrynmair]

They can either go like this, or the next section along but at a slight angle.

totally wrong I'm afraid - turn that frame ninety degrees towards the middle of the long gap put two in on each side (one behind each other with the comb resting against the outside edge of the cage) they shoulkd run parallel and against the long sides of your cage (the bit with the curve in the middle) spin them gently for a minute to get some of the honey out of the outside facing comb then turn round so the unextracted opposite side is facing outward, give it a good spin then turn them back again to finish emptying the other side.

That extractor will do four shallow frames at a time or two deeps.

 

[deanrpwaacs]

Do i win a prize ?