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I am uniting two colonies this weekend. Should I move both colonies so they are together before uniting.

I sall be uniting using newspaper and one of the colonies is Q-.

Your thoughts welcomed
 
You need them as close as possible otherwise the flyers will return to the old site .
How far apart are they at the moment ?
G
 
You need them as close as possible otherwise the flyers will return to the old site .
How far apart are they at the moment ?
G
The Q+ is actually a nuc, the easiest to move. The hives are about 3m apart but there is another nuc between the two I plan to unite.
 
Thanks both for the quick reply. Will do as advised.
 
I've united without moving hives together and have had no problem.
PH advises Q+ on top,I believe.
I've done both on top and above and doesn't seem to make any difference.
 
Q+ on top as they are more motivated to get on with things..

Can I ask why you think the Q- box actually is. Have you actually killed the queen?

PH
 
Q+ on top as they are more motivated to get on with things..

Can I ask why you think the Q- box actually is. Have you actually killed the queen?

PH

Yes, I must have killed queen. I changed the hive position with a stronger hive to strengthen the colony. Next inspection no eggs or larvae, test frame produced queen cells. So I guess it must have been me, though I don't know how.
 
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I am uniting two colonies this weekend. Should I move both colonies so they are together before uniting.

I sall be uniting using newspaper and one of the colonies is Q-.

Your thoughts welcomed

Personally I wouldn't bother moving them together first, then I put the Q- on top so that by the time they have got through the paper they do not tend to go back to the old site. Personal choice, weigh it up and do whatever appeals.
Cazza
 
Personally I wouldn't bother moving them together first, then I put the Q- on top so that by the time they have got through the paper they do not tend to go back to the old site. Personal choice, weigh it up and do whatever appeals.
Cazza

The bees may well go back to the old site and enter whatever is closest. If it's a nuc, then you have a problem!
 
Unite in the evening, do which ever you decide on top and bottom, then..........................................


Stuff the entrance with grass but not too tightly, and leave them for three days. By then some will have managed to work through the grass and be working so remove it and all should be well.

Seems we all assumed this bit so I am mentioning it.

PH
 
Unite in the evening, do which ever you decide on top and bottom, then..........................................


Stuff the entrance with grass but not too tightly, and leave them for three days. By then some will have managed to work through the grass and be working so remove it and all should be well.

Seems we all assumed this bit so I am mentioning it.

PH

PH, would you move the hives together before uniting?
 
No I would do it at dusk after note the after flying has ceased.

PH
 
Now that you have done it and all is well http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=261292#post261292 which method did you use and did you put your nuc in a brood box first.

Thanks for the intrest Chalkie, this is how I did it,
1. In the afternoon the Nuc frames where placed, in order, in the middle of a Brood Box, a frame of foundation and dummy board were placed at each end, roof and floor placed top and bottom.

2. At dusk, once the bees had stopped flying, I united the colonies using the newspaper method. The Nuc bees (now in the BB) where placed on the top.

3. The entrance was stuffed with grass. Unfortunately due to the heat, 27 degrees, the grass wilted so I blocked the entrance with cardboard.

4. On the third day I unblocked the entrance.

I was concerned that the heat, 3 days of 27 - 28 degrees, would overheat the bees. I pm'd PH, he re assured me and......... he was right, today I saw the Queen, eggs in the hive confirmed that she is laying well.

Please note, I did not move the colonies together before uniting, the colonies were approximately 4m apart. PH informed me that blocking the entrance for 3 days made the bees realise that something was different, this ensured that they re orientated when leaving the hive.

Will definitely use this method in future.
 

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