Demaree superceedure

[Hivetool2021]

Hi all

I was checking my colonies today, currently undertaking a demeree on one. The method I adopted was nearly 2 weeks ago, queen and 1 frame of brood in lower box, QX, 2 supers, QX then existing brood box.
On inspections today I notice a few superceedure cells in the top box, us thus normal, but I knocked them down.
Has anyone else experience ths many

 

[Erichalfbee]

Yes that’s what you usually get

 

[user 819]

Next time use the opportunity to raise a new queen placing a CB under the top box with an entrance to allow drones and queen to come and go. Once the girl is laying well and happy remove the older Q in the LBB( can be removed to make up a nuc).

Sometimes I don't carry out a full Demeree and will often only remove mainly sealed brood and older larvae to an UBB, as long as there are no QC in the bottom Q should be fine with extra/more frames to lay in.
Keep the Demaree going as a rolling one and keep moving sealed brood up as long as she doesn't outstrip this with prodigious laying or try her on DB.

 

[Hivetool2021]

Next time use the opportunity to raise a new queen placing a CB under the top box with an entrance to allow drones and queen to come and go. Once the girl is laying well and happy remove the older Q in the LBB( can be removed to make up a nuc).

Sometimes I don't carry out a full Demeree and will often only remove mainly sealed brood and older larvae to an UBB, as long as there are no QC in the bottom Q should be fine with extra/more frames to lay in.
Keep the Demaree going as a rolling one and keep moving sealed brood up as long as she doesn't outstrip this with prodigious laying or try her on DB.

Hi thank you for the the reply, how you stop the bees from back filling the top box with nectar, do you dummy down to the only frames of brood up there, many thanks

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

On inspections today I notice a few superceedure cells in the top box

That's how a Demarree works, the workers are a distance from the queen so get a wak pheromone signal, so they start making queencels just in case.
Why did you immediately think supersedure though?

 

[Erichalfbee]

Hi thank you for the the reply, how you stop the bees from back filling the top box with nectar, do you dummy down to the only frames of brood up there, many thanks

Put a super on top.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

how you stop the bees from back filling the top box with nectar,ks
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you can't, that's again how a Demaree works if you keep the Demarree 'rolling by moving brood up to the top box every inspection and moving the vacayed frames back down to replace them - the bees will move any nectar already stored there
back up.
Byt at the end of the season you just let them fill the frames up and then extract them

 

[Hivetool2021]

That's how a Demarree works, the workers are a distance from the queen so get a wak pheromone signal, so they start making queencels just in case.
Why did you immediately think supersedure though?

Hi the QC were in the middle of the frame in the UBB , it's been 12 days since I done the demaree, so worker's must of moved eggs up I reckon

 

[Hivetool2021]

how you stop the bees from back filling the top box with nectar,ks

you can't, that's again how a Demaree works if you keep the Demarree 'rolling by moving brood up to the top box every inspection and moving the vacayed frames back down to replace them - the bees will move any nectar already stored there
back up.
Byt at the end of the season you just let them fill the frames up and then extract them
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Can you extract frames that have had brood in them I was told I couldn't but be interested to hear a collective answer

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Can you extract frames that have had brood in them I was told I couldn't but be interested to hear a collective answer

Of course you can, whoever told you you can'tneds to get a grip. Obviously you can't extract honey from frames still containing brood but one the brood has emerged the bees will clean out the cells and it's perfectly alright to use for honey.

it's been 12 days since I done the demaree, so worker's must of moved eggs up I reckon

doubtful - they're from eggs that were there when you Demarreed

Hi the QC were in the middle of the frame in the UBB

the position of the QC's on the frame has got nothing to do with whether it's a supersedure cell or a normal QC, this myth needs to be addressed
Obviously in this case the all will be wherever they are on the frame because anything made in the top box has been made due to the supersedure urge.

 

[user 819]

Hi thank you for the the reply, how you stop the bees from back filling the top box with nectar, do you dummy down to the only frames of brood up there, many thanks

If you don't mind an even taller colony stick as has been said a super on top, if any frames are capped extract them. Carry half dozen frames around in the car in a correx nuc box and then when you rotate sealed brood up top any sealed store remove it and give the bottom box empty combs and fill out any in the top.

 

[user 819]

Can you extract frames that have had brood in them I was told I couldn't but be interested to hear a collective answer

There is no issue, foragers returning will off load the honey. The nearest cell will likely be a brood cell which then the house bees will deal with, moving it about reducing moisture and adding enzymes. So at some stage honey is likely to have been deposited in cleaned brood cells.