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theeggman

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Today I've received an email for 'Beekeepers' with a link to a survey for beeks.
As the 'from' address is 'Beekeepers' I've gone back and asked for more info, like who are you.
There is link to a survey re. beekeeping which I have not clicked yet.
Is this a c**p gov't dept. or a scam?

Tim
 
Hi Tim

It's a FERA survey, or at least I hope it is, having just filled it out. :) Nah, it's legitimate. The link goes to the authentic FERA website.
 
Afraid that any email claiming to be something should identify themselves or its in the junk mail.

you could look at the message source and get a few clues as to who its really from before opening it.
 
Hi Plhilip,
How do I look for a message source??
Sorry I'm an old fart that is just getting into the interweb.
Tim
 
Its from FERA signed of by Ben Jones National Bee Unit and the Email from shows [email protected]

I assume they have got our contact email via beebase.

Must say I was at first suspicous, but willbe completing it over the weekend. How long and how much detail required Galileo?


Colin
 
assuming windows opperating system.

right click the email, select properties.

a dialouge box opens two tabs use details

select message source

this opens the email without opening the email, review header info.

you will often find scam mails have different links than to the supposed sender.

there s a lot of info there its like getting a email from the FBI but there using an aol account :laughing-smiley-004

I must admit I get a lot from them, lol they seem to be desperate to give me money

:laughing-smiley-014
once you have used it a few times you start to see the probable scams mails.

hope that helps
 
Got one too. Grammar and most of the spelling correct, sensible questions, no cyrillic lettering, links to genuine FERA website, not requesting money, no references to penis enlargement/Nigerian orphans etc etc.

I expect it's genuine.
 
I got one too,but am not on Beebase.
I *assume* they got my details through my membership of the local BKA.
I filled it in and sent it off,but am,well,intrigued as to how they got my Email address.
 
another useful tip is to check the info bar at the bottom of the window, when you hover over a link the hand appears.

if you check the info bar it will echo the link if it does not ** DO NOT CLICK IT**
 
I got one too,but am not on Beebase.
I *assume* they got my details through my membership of the local BKA.
I filled it in and sent it off,but am,well,intrigued as to how they got my Email address.
Why not on BeeBase?
 
A tip from me. Don't click on any links on anything like that. Go to the Fera site and link it from there. If it don't exist on their web site, it could be a scamming e-mail.

Once a dodgy link is clicked, your 'puter could be infected.
 
A tip from me. Don't click on any links on anything like that. Go to the Fera site and link it from there. If it don't exist on their web site, it could be a scamming e-mail.

Once a dodgy link is clicked, your 'puter could be infected.

In general I would totally agree, however in this case the survey is not in general circulation and has only been sent to randonly selected beekeepers with a covernote asking you not to share the link for the survey.
 
Must say I was at first suspicous, but willbe completing it over the weekend. How long and how much detail required Galileo?

Howdo Colin

It's essentially asking about production colonies between Aprils 2012 and 2013. They're seeking info on number, movements, hive yield, losses, disease test results, monitoring methods and treatments applied. All benign stuff.

Cheers
Marc
 
Because where I keep my bees is of no-one's concern but my own.
I can get advice on disease etc. through my local BKA.

Are you sure your local BKA has not already forwarded your details to Alan Byham the RBI for the SE, our membership records are sent to him, all our membership forms have a "I don't want my o NBU" opt out box
 
Because where I keep my bees is of no-one's concern but my own.
I can get advice on disease etc. through my local BKA.

In all fairness, your local BKA won't necessarily let you know of any disease outbreaks. It isn't their job.
 
It doesn't inspire confidence in the survey, either the standard or results, when the construction is so poor.

"16. In 2012 what percentage of your colonies did you provide a new queen because of: queen problmes (e.g. drone laying)?" I know typos occur, but what does sending out a public document without even a spell check say?

There are more serious examples than the spelling. For example, in the "Summer Losses" question 10, it starts with a simple "How many production colonies did you have on April 1st 2012?". Fair enough, put a number. Then "How many of these colonies were lost... between April 1st 2012 and October 1st 2012?" Fine, most will put 0 I suspect.

Then: "Of these lost colonies, how many did not contain any signs of dead bees within or outside the hive? Please give your answer as a numerical digit".

There are other questions that reveal options when answered, so why does this one insist on a number, even if losses were 0? And why the convoluted syntax? It appears to be asking if any were CCD candidates - but the phrasing is so awkward. If there is a later claim that a survey shows CCD is in the UK is that because there really is CCD or because a percentage didn't interpret the question as intended?

Another example, "28. Between April 2012 and April 2013, have you had any problems with the following?" which includes tick boxes for the usual diseases like AFB, Varroa and some non-disease problems like woodpeckers and vandalism.

Then question 29 asks "Were any of your colonies diagnosed with the following between April 2012 and April 2013?" followed by a list including many of the same diseases, all of which have to be answered "positive", "negative" or "not tested". If I didn't have a problem with AFB in 28, why have I the option of recording a positive test in 29? And what is it scored as if I did?

Trying to answer the question for the AFB entry in 29, well I looked for but didn't see any. Is that a "negative" because I didn't see it? I'm not employed as an inspector; they wouldn't put an entry on the map on my say-so, is it good enough here or is that "not tested" because I didn't use a lateral flow test or send any samples off to York for their lab. Varroosis, "positive" because they dropped a few, "negative" because it wasn't enough to cause serious harm or "not tested" because it's only an observation? Similarly DWV, is it "positive" because I saw some symptoms. "negative" because I missed it or "not tested" because there was no virology lab test?

A survey could be useful, and I was hopeful that it might be thorough given the preamble about a randomly generated sample. Unfortunately the standard of questions and construction limit how realistic any interpretation of results are going to be.
 

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