BBKA ticket costs

[Edwardking]

So you're saying the trade show should be free? I think we'd all agree with you.

 

[yellowrage 53]

are those the same who are happy to go to the pub for 3 hr's and spend £20 but wont pay £18 for all day !!!!

 

[REDWOOD]

If the demand falls then so will the price

The price should be fair without the need to make massive profits, surely the cheaper the tickets the more people will come including non beekeepers.

 

[MuswellMetro]

BBKA spring event is £18 for 3days plus £10 for a workshop and free lecturesand a one day trade even

The Nat Honey show is £12 for 3days plus £5 for a workshop ,free lectures and a three day trade event

so i last year at the NHS i went to four workshops and 9 free lectures for £32, ignoring the cost of petrol or accomdation the same at the BBKA event would have cost me £58 (and probably would not have gotten into 9 lectures as too crowded)

That'swhy i got to the NHS rather than Harper Adam

 

[susbees]

Complete rip off

It wasnt just a trade show, there were lectures as well.

Bit of an exaggeration: two bee inspector talks (repeated), one talk from BfD and one on making potions...

 

[alanf]

...and probably would not have gotten into 9 lectures as too crowded...

If they're too crowded, one remedy is to put the price up.

The National Honey Show publish accounts (to members) that show their finances revolve around the annual event. It makes a small surplus, contributing to reserves for a rainy day. Since the show is why the organisation exists, anyone chooses to support it or not on merit.

BBKA Spring convention is listed in their 2013 accounts as income 105,112, expenditure 92,513, a return of 13.6% over expenditure. The last year at Stoneleigh (2011) had 91,591 income from 73,518 or a profit of 24.6%. 2012, first year at HA was 101,419 income, 80,005 expenditure, profit 26.7%. In percentage and cash terms, the convention has become less profitable. That may be a concern to those attending the ADM if the trend continues.

There's nothing wrong with using a conference as a fund raiser, but there are potential pitfalls in rolling the accounts into a larger organisation. As it is, the event has previously contributed about a pound a member to the BBKA budget, last year that dropped to 50p. Presumably one of the reasons to seek increased subventions, though not mentioned specifically. Were ticket buyers aware they were subsidising other BBKA activities? If the costs of attending were increased again to restore the margin, but had the effect of reducing attendance then the traders would protest that their attendance was less profitable and stop attending or demand reduced fees for their pitches. How tolerable would it be for the distant members if BBKA funds were subsidising the convention rather than taking the profit? Particularly if a decreasing minority are attending.

It's a similar dilemma with the enterprises subsidiary. What was pitched as a profitable sideline now costs money to run. The difference being the educational benefit of a convention is easier to argue for than selling plush toys.

 

[drstitson]

"you can get one free with the Beecraft subscription?"

that might explain where the £20k went.

 

[johnandyrob]

Free entry to the trade show ( the exhibitors would pay for being there I would have thought ) and day tickets would be a good idea imho

 

[Edwardking]

Free entry to the trade show ( the exhibitors would pay for being there I would have thought ) and day tickets would be a good idea imho

Plus they could raise more money by charging a bit more for the BBKA workshops - they're £2 - yes, £2. Peanuts. Why not charge £10? Would the numbers attending drop? I think not. At £2 they may as we'll be free. At £10 it shows commitment.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Plus they could raise more money by charging a bit more for the BBKA workshops - they're £2 - yes, £2. Peanuts. Why not charge £10? Would the numbers attending drop? I think not. At £2 they may as we'll be free. At £10 it shows commitment.

And if they charged £10.00 for the workshop can you imagine the outrage here then?
I don't think £18.00 or so is excessive for one day - most shows are at least that price nowadays.
But then again, this is all about stirring and having everything back in London again - the rest of us don't count.

 

[Edwardking]

And if they charged £10.00 for the workshop can you imagine the outrage here then?
I don't think £18.00 or so is excessive for one day - most shows are at least that price nowadays.
But then again, this is all about stirring and having everything back in London again - the rest of us don't count.

Ridiculous. It's about costs.

 

[MuswellMetro]

Ridiculous. It's about costs.

The Welsh BKA spring event is a few weeks earlier than the BBKA spring event and is only 70miles away, now how does that effect attendance and profit of both events, i wonder if the Welsh BKA attendances are down due to Harper Adam

 

[Itchy]

"I don't think £18.00 or so is excessive for one day - most shows are at least that price nowadays."
I do...especially if you think I might buy something as well

 

[Moggs]

Oh come on.... Where can you go these days without paying for the experience? Cinema, summer fete, flower show, exhibitions, to name but a few! Six quid a day? If the experience is all about bargain trade prices, save your cash and buy from the on line sales.


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[MuswellMetro]

And if they charged £10.00 for the workshop can you imagine the outrage here then?
I don't think £18.00 or so is excessive for one day - most shows are at least that price nowadays.
But then again, this is all about stirring and having everything back in London again - the rest of us don't count.

They do charge more than £2, the £2 fee is for a few minor workshops, the fees range from £2 to £60, workshops like "my passion for Trees"at £2 module 6 at £12 ( up from £10 last year), husbandryat £35, Anatomy at £52 and Queen rearing at £60 if i remember correctly , i assume those of you who say it is cheap dont go for the three days and take workshops

i did go the first year to HA but not this , as at todays prices it is too expensive to go for three days £18, 10 Gallons of Diesel @ £6gallon , two night accomadation @£47per night and £159 on four workshop ,3 evening meals @£25 plus the flowers and Chocs for the SWMBO on my return

and the worst thing~~~~the Bar shuts relativley early so they all go to bed at 10:00pm

 

[Itchy]

Oh come on.... Where can you go these days without paying for the experience? Cinema, summer fete, flower show, exhibitions, to name but a few! Six quid a day? If the experience is all about bargain trade prices, save your cash and buy from the on line sales.


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Exactly...be refreshing to go somewhere where I wont feel ripped off.

Doubt I'll ever go to anything other than local stuff at those types of prices

 

[Hivemaker.]

Oh come on.... Where can you go these days without paying for the experience?

Up in the woods for a nice walk, or down and sit by the river for a while.

 

[MuswellMetro]

Up in the woods for a nice walk, or down and sit by the river for a while.

30 miles across london on tube ,trains and buses on my OAP freedom bus Passto a free museum or art exhibition as in london we get trains and tube free(after 9:30) as well as buses

 

[Moggs]

30 miles across london on tube ,trains and buses on my OAP freedom bus Passto a free museum or art exhibition as in london we get trains and tube free(after 9:30) as well as buses

I can hardly wait


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[Alabamaeee]

Judging whether an entrance fee is reasonable or not depends on your personal interest in the show/event/exhibition.

Bit O/T but there has been complaints about the English Heritage hike in prices for those that want to Stonehenge. £13.90 per adult if you prebook and if you walk in £14.90, that is if they can even accommodate the numbers. Bit of a price hike from £8 per adult but you do get to visit the Audio Visual displays in the blot on the landscape that they call an exhibition centre :roll eyes: