Angry Bees

[TryingToLetThemBee]

A myth in my opinion, Bees get more aggressive if they have stores to defend so it's just an assumption that they were aggressive to begin with

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Exactly; causality is inverted. July inspections are my least favourite for obvious reasons.

 

[Motobiman]

Admin.
If this is off topic please shift it.

There seems to me to be a bit of a disconnect here.

On one hand some say it is acceptable to kill queens, kill drones in cells and abandon flying bees in certain circumstances, that probably leads to their death, but it is not acceptable to kill the whole colony when the individual beekeepers circumstances leaves him to decide it's his only viable option.

That's just a question of degree, surely?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

No, it's a question of lazy people who think just because they're insects it's OK to 'dispose' of a colony because it doesn't suit them.
Don't try to take some sort of moral high ground now just because you've been found out.

 

[maddydog]

No, it's a question of lazy people who think just because they're insects it's OK to 'dispose' of a colony because it doesn't suit them.
Don't try to take some sort of moral high ground now just because you've been found out.

As for the op I would have re-queened as they did then combine the flyers and supers back with the main colony. Left to their own devices for a couple of weeks and then inspected

 

[Finman]

Admin.
If this is off topic please shift it.

There seems to me to be a bit of a disconnect here.

On one hand some say it is acceptable to kill queens, kill drones in cells and abandon flying bees in certain circumstances, that probably leads to their death, but it is not acceptable to kill the whole colony when the individual beekeepers circumstances leaves him to decide it's his only viable option.

That's just a question of degree, surely?

Everything is possible.

Varroa kills as much colonies as the beekeeper lets it to do.


Surely question us degree, but ut us very normal that domestic animals are killed for reason or for another.

To kill, which lead death, it is allowed.

But to kill, which does not lead to death, is banned. IT is called torture.

 

[Motobiman]

As for the op I would have re-queened as they did then combine the flyers and supers back with the main colony. Left to their own devices for a couple of weeks and then inspected

Yes me too.

I am not advocating killing bees, hell I regularly rescue the stupid things from my birdbath, but I do want to understand the various options and when/how people use them.

Discussing anything on here is getting harder and harder and I would remind people they have an ignore button they can use if they don't want to join in my discussions.

 

[Finman]

Discussing anything on here is getting harder and harder and I would remind people they have an ignore button they can use if they don't want to join in my discussions.

Who starts the game, he stands the game.

I really want to join your discussion. You need a teaching of reality.
I have a degree on biology teaching.

Facts, law and moral.

Moral means guides which are not mentioned in law books.
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[Millet]

Maybe there's something about your gloves that they don't like. If they're clean and free from pheromones from the last attack then it could be the colour or the texture. Maybe try different gloves and see what happens?

A fellow member did point out too me that the colour of gloves could aggravate the bees but i can not remember who it was, i will put a clean pair of Nitrile gloves over my existing gloves on my next inspection, i had to stop and close up on Sunday half way through my Queen cell hunt.

 

[madasafish]

Blue nitriles seem to deter bees from attacking your hands - and wrists.

 

[kevrhcfag]

Just to clarify what I actually did the 3 supers with the flying bees were left on the original site with a floor and roof. The brood was moved away where with less bees I actually managed to find the queen and dispose of her they were then requeened the loss of the flying bees I was willing to except I know the textbook says they should rejoin the original colony but we don't always follow what the book says. Bit of a job to go through the supers when your veil and suit is covered with bees trying their hardest to sting you .When I did check the hive with the flying bees last week they were still bad but nothing like before,hopefully I can now sort them out.I put it down to experience but I don't think petrol is the way to go perhaps I'm lucky in that I have no near neighbors.

Hand water spray helps a lot, keeps a lot more on the comb and out of your face, make a gap spray it down sides before lifting out frames, especially since your having to brush / shake frames to find all the QC's.

As for getting rid then it really depends on where the hive is, if its large / defensive / aggressive / following / stinging and its on an allotment or somewhere else public making it queenless and waiting 4 - 6 weeks for the calmer bees isn't always an option. If you can't move it somewhere then you would have to make a decision.

 

[B+.]

Blue nitriles seem to deter bees from attacking your hands - and wrists.

I'm not sure why though. I don't think its just colour.
Perhaps the material is stretched so tightly by the hand inside that it effectively creates an extra layer of "skin" which the bee can't easily penetrate.
However, if this were true, vinyl gloves would have the same effect - and they most certainly don't!

 

[Motobiman]

Who starts the game, he stands the game.

I really want to join your discussion. You need a teaching of reality.
I have a degree on biology teaching.

Facts, law and moral.

Moral means guides which are not mentioned in law books.
.

.

I think I understand what you are saying.

Intelligent people should be able to discuss any issues without resorting to personal insults and if those people don't understand that being asked difficult question and being challenged is how we learn then the whole thing breaks down.

Morality should not be used as a shield and I agree with that.

In the same way making judgements without reading and at least trying to understand the posters points is pretty much a waste of everyone's time.

Certain people on here attack at ever turn, just like the bees we are discussing and that's a shame because they may well have valuable knowledge, they just lack the ability to impart it.

For the record, I do not advocate killing bees.

Any beekeeper would be lacking though if he did not know how to do it as a last resort and having exhausted all the other options.

 

[Millet]

I think I understand what you are saying.

Intelligent people should be able to discuss any issues without resorting to personal insults and if those people don't understand that being asked difficult question and being challenged is how we learn then the whole thing breaks down.

Morality should not be used as a shield and I agree with that.

In the same way making judgements without reading and at least trying to understand the posters points is pretty much a waste of everyone's time.

Certain people on here attack at ever turn, just like the bees we are discussing and that's a shame because they may well have valuable knowledge, they just lack the ability to impart it.

For the record, I do not advocate killing bees.

Any beekeeper would be lacking though if he did not know how to do it as a last resort and having exhausted all the other options.

Ficam W / bendiocarb is lethal for anything that crawls or flies and a surface sprayed with it will stay active for around 12/14 day's, i would not personally use it on bees but boy does it wipe the red mite out in the chicken sheds.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Any beekeeper would be lacking though if he did not know how to do it as a last resort and having exhausted all the other options.

That's the point which you so conveniently ignore - killing bees is not a last resort in matters like this and should not be considered as one unless it's for disease control. all you are trying to do is justify your readiness to dispose of bees that are inconvenient to you.
You can try and take the high ground and paint yourself as the aggrieved party but the truth is, right at the beginning of this thread -discussing aggressive bees - you quickly piped in, without a previous mention of disposal with an unqualified question on how to kill the colony off.

 

[maddydog]

I'm not sure why though. I don't think its just colour.
Perhaps the material is stretched so tightly by the hand inside that it effectively creates an extra layer of "skin" which the bee can't easily penetrate.
However, if this were true, vinyl gloves would have the same effect - and they most certainly don't!

I use blue nitryls and the bees do exhibit unusual behaviour. Often they will land, grip ready for the sting and then appear to change their minds. I don't believe it is anything to do with the colour either, maybe the texture of the material?
Colour does have an effect in some ways - try wearing a single black glove

 

[Millet]

I use blue nitryls and the bees do exhibit unusual behaviour. Often they will land, grip ready for the sting and then appear to change their minds. I don't believe it is anything to do with the colour either, maybe the texture of the material?
Colour does have an effect in some ways - try wearing a single black glove

My gloves are mainly black with a bit of blue on them, i know they do not like the black camera or black LED torch so that might be my problem, either way i will not be setting fire to the bees in the near future,

 

[theeggman]

I use blue nitryls and the bees do exhibit unusual behaviour. Often they will land, grip ready for the sting and then appear to change their minds. I don't believe it is anything to do with the colour either, maybe the texture of the material?
Colour does have an effect in some ways - try wearing a single black glove

I can't be a***d to read the full thread because I have a life BUT I used to wear black marigolds and got stings through VERY frequently, I followed HM's advice given when picking up a nuc. to turn them inside out and provide a white surface, end of stings but try cleaning the bu**ers of prop.

 

[Finman]

.i have calm bees, and I nurse bees with bare hands.

I keep spare Queen's. If I have some evil hive, I change the Queen at once. I do not start to think what it matter with it.

That is not worse than kill a sausage.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

my gloves are mainly black

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

ADD When you've got your confidence back with light-coloured ones, try no gloves with a pair of marigolds as backup. Massively better. I reckon fewer stings because you trap fewer bees, being able to feel them. And you feel the warning vibrations as well; quick shake AWAY from the hive.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Maybe there's something about your gloves that they don't like. If they're clean and free from pheromones from the last attack then it could be the colour or the texture. Maybe try different gloves and see what happens?

A fellow member did point out too me that the colour of gloves could aggravate the bees but i can not remember who it was, i will put a clean pair of Nitrile gloves over my existing gloves on my next inspection, i had to stop and close up on Sunday half way through my Queen cell hunt.

theeggman changed from black gloves and had a good result so it's worth a try. Let us know how you get on. .