All honey and very little eggs

[Finman]

This is why I am happy to leave a empty box under the colony http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=508803#post508803

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1st of november and fresh pollen is being placed in the empty combs under the colony

You do it, but it makes no sense.

The question is, why sitizens of Great Britain are not able to learn anything from outside world? .... Because they need not.

And B+, you are even broud that you make stupid things in beekeeping.

Finland is cold country and no one put into hive extra empty boxes over winter. And you do it , and you are happy to do it. Why your alarm bells do not ring? Happy, for what?

And some guys do in this forum their insulation trials, even if we have 100% sure answers to what they are wandering.

But if a human being is satisfeid to his level of achievments, he has no problems, he manages well with his old style.

What is learning? - it is solving the problems.

What are problems? - they are the distances between recent situation and between your goals. When you set your goals, you get problems, how to achieve the skills to work at the level of new goals.

But if you are happy to stand where you are, you are then happy. And this is not climate difference issue.

Best people are lazy and clever. They do not any vain things. Stupid and busy are worst. They make chaos all the time. Look at James Bond....the British Hero
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[Thymallus]

The question is, why sitizens of Great Britain are not able to learn anything from outside world?
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Finman, there is a saying in the UK that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The 2015 average Honey Yield per hive (BBKA survey) was 21lbs (Less than 10kgs).

Says it all really.

 

[Finman]

Finman, there is a saying in the UK that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

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We have saying that "you can get nothing without asking".
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[Finman]

Finman, there is a saying in the UK that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

The 2015 average Honey Yield per hive (BBKA survey) was 21lbs (Less than 10kgs).

Says it all really.

We had a bad summer. I got on average 160 lbs.

 

[Thymallus]

We had a bad summer. I got on average 160 lbs.

Bloody Hell.....I beat you .....although we do have at least three flows per year rather than just the one to work at.

 

[B+.]

You do it, but it makes no sense.

The question is, why sitizens of Great Britain are not able to learn anything from outside world? .... Because they need not.

And B+, you are even broud that you make stupid things in beekeeping.

Finland is cold country and no one put into hive extra empty boxes over winter. And you do it , and you are happy to do it. Why your alarm bells do not ring? Happy, for what?

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No Finman. You are wrong about this. You couldn't be more wrong. If you knew me at all, you would know that I am not satisfied with what I have and continually seek to improve it. I do study methods used in other countries and, where appropriate, I am happy to adopt them.
This might not be appropriate for Finland, but, as the photo shows it is very appropriate for here. There is no point in restricting space when I have so much fresh pollen coming in. That photo was taken at about 3:15 this afternoon. where would you have them put all that pollen?

 

[Finman]

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Jep. I am almost all the time wrong.

It is a great idea to nurse your hives according your situation, and not according mine or some others'

My hives have been in cluster about one month.

 

[Finman]

If the second box is underneath, it will do no real harm to the colony. It is just space that they may move onto in the spring as they expand....and, yes, you are right...the advice is 5-6 months early, but thats not necessarily a bad thing. The more beginners who can plan what they're doing a season ahead, the fewer cries of desperation we'll get in the spring (particularly with regards to emergency feeding, overcrowding, swarm control). Yes, these things are a long way off ...I'm trying to encourage him to plan ahead but, knowing how things often happen with beginners, I'm building in some slack so that if he can't inspect his bees at the right time, they won't be overcrowded straight away

Empty box in the hive that you have 6 months time to plan.... Plan what.

This is the best explanation to the vain box. You have given 5 odd explanation to that odd box. Why guys use one brood in summer and two brood in winter.


But let it be. Your hives out there, not mine.




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[B+.]

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Jep. I am almost all the time wrong.

It is a great idea to nurse your hives according your situation, and not according mine or some others'

My hives have been in cluster about one month.

As you can see, they aren't in cluster here. I watched them flying in with fresh pollen this afternoon

 

[Finman]

As you can see, they aren't in cluster here.

I cannot . 2000 km distance between us.
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[B+.]

I cannot . 2000 km distance between us.
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I meant that you can see from this afternoons photo which you responded to in post 61

 

[Madge]

Empty box in the hive ...

This is the best explanation to the vain box.
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The box on question is definitely not 'vain', neither empty. If it was, yes, remove it.

 

[Finman]

The box on question is definitely not 'vain', neither empty. If it was, yes, remove it.

Your bees. Not mine. Stupid habits however, because we do better without vain boxes. You out there do not believe, but so it is.

 

[B+.]

The box on question is definitely not 'vain', neither empty. If it was, yes, remove it.

Thats what I was trying to get through to Finman too. However, his are deep in winter cluster:

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It is a great idea to nurse your hives according your situation, and not according mine or some others'

My hives have been in cluster about one month.

I must say: I find emotive words such as "vain" boxes and "stupid" habits a little out of place considering ours are still bringing back lots of pollen. They will need this in the Spring. This is not Finland.

 

[Finman]

. This is not Finland.

What ever, but stubid habit. First mesh floor widely open and then there must be extra box.

This is first time when I read that the empty box is for pollen. Always it has been a buffer against wind..

IT is strange that British beekeepers do not keep extra box for pollen in summer.

Even if this is not Great Britain, I keep 3 langstroth boxes for brood, and the lowest serves as pollen store..
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[B+.]

What ever, but stubid habit. First mesh floor widely open and then there must be extra box.

This is first time when I read that the empty box is for pollen. Always it has been a buffer against wind..

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The original post described a scenario with 2 boxes:

The top brood had a lot of honey, each frame was basically full of honey but the odd one would have some larva, meaning about 15 in total I would guess, the bottom brood had two frames of honey and the rest of the frames were empty.

We all know that honeybees put their pollen close to the brood area and their honey stores above it. If they have space to do so, thats exactly where they will put it.

 

[Finman]

The original post described a scenario with 2 boxes:


We all know that honeybees put their pollen close to the brood area and their honey stores above it. If they have space to do so, thats exactly where they will put it.

Yeah. I have seen it during last 53 years.

If they have not space in brood box, they store pollen into honey frames.
They must have pollen stores that they can go over bad days and week, and feed larvae during bad days. Otherwise they eate open larvae to get protein.

Quite few know that.

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[Finman]

The original post described a scenario with 2 boxes:


We all know that honeybees put their pollen close to the brood area and their it.

Quite few understand that. Because most keep excluder over first box.
And many does not understand, why bees put nectar into brood box.

 

[greig1983]

Looked through the opening today and noticed a good few dead bees.

 

[Davelin]

Wouldn't worry too much, natural wastage.
There are always bees dying, but usually away from the hive when they are flying.