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Bee races

German or English native bees
 Apis mellifera mellifera
 Very dark in color
 Native to England or Germany
 Has some of the characteristics of the other dark
bees
 Do well in damp cold climates
 Excitable on the combs
 Prone to swarm
 Well adapted to Northern climates.
 Tends to be very defensive, making bee management more difficult
 Hardy, able to survive long, cold winters in northern climates
 Susceptible to many brood diseases (such as American and European foulbrood)


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Characteristics of Races of Honeybees
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Text from year 1926





The Bee World, 8, pp 4-5,
June, 1926.
Original in Gleanings in Bee Culture.


By Phillip J. Baldensperger,
Nice, France


Apis mellifica, var. lehzeni, V. Buttel-Reepen (1906). An able bee-book written by H. Lehzen, in honour of whom the adjective “lehzeni” was given, describes this bee as different from the brown bees just described. This author, who has kept the heather bee in the heather regions of Luneburg especially (though she extends all along up to Holland), says: “This bee is a product of the German bee, and has been differentiated by many centuries of breeding into the actual race — that is to say, a very diligent, hardened bee, and one of great swarming propensities.” The bees swarm two to five times a year, and a first swarm usually swarms again in good seasons. Swarming may even go on with second swarms. The heather bee begins brood-rearing early in the year, and continues late in the fall. V. Buttel-Reepen says: “The bee is an outcome of natural breeding, and has not been produced by beekeepers in their selection. Their swarming propensities are so great that a single stock has gone up to an increase of fourteen in the same year in specially good seasons. They liberally build drone comb, and second swarms build drone comb in the first year which are readily utilised by the young queens.”

When the Germans, after the Great War, had to furnish a number of colonies of bees to France and Belgium they delivered numbers of heather bees. Mr. Tombu, permanent secretary of the International Beekeepers’ Congress, and the Belgian delegate at the meeting of that congress in Quebec in 1921, who, together with the French beekeeper and professor at Nancy, had to receive the bees in Germany, refused many thousands because of their swarming propensities. He said that when they had received a consignment of bees they set them up in the railway station, and as late as November the bees would swarm and cluster about the railway poles. This disagreeable feature finally caused them to refuse further shipments of these bees. The French beekeepers mostly complained of having received a very inferior strain of bees, and refused to receive any more of the kind.

The abdominal segments of the heather bee are black, bordered with yellowish fuzz, while on the thorax there is black fuzz. In queens and drones this fuzz is completely black all over. They build up to 50 queen-cells, being an intense swarming race.

No doubt the early Dutch settlers in America brought over this strain of heather bee, which has been an inhabitant of America since 1638. It not only was the companion of the white man, but, on account of its great propensity for swarming, even preceded the white man into the west, and is actually found all over the United States and South America. This accounts for the disagreeable characteristics of the American brown or black bee, which is very aggressive and unstable, running about the hive when disturbed and dropping from the combs when lifted up, indicating that the American black or brown bee is a descendant of the heather bee and not of the better race previously described as the brown European bee.

When the British Isles were almost completely swept clear of its bees as a consequence of the great bee plague known in 1904 as the Isle of Wight disease, heather bees from Holland were brought over. These did not prove satisfactory, but this was a good way of filling the gap and receiving Italian queens, which have taken the place of the old English bee; but to what extent is not now known.

Campine bees living in the heather regions of Holland, as well as the northern bees of the Scandinavian regions, are very likely of the same race, though possibly somewhat modified by their isolation. The introduction of foreign races, which is going on there, will also completely eliminate the pure strain.
 
Think about it

WE did not go wrong...a bit like Snow White ... WE drifted !!

How many queen bees are imported into Finland annually 200000, 500000?

Possibly not a good parallel but......

I like to buy English apples, and I do when available as the quality and flavour is so much better than varieties grown and imported in South France, South Africa and even New Zealand. BUT English apple producers have a hard time competing with the apple importers.
Difference to bees is that our trees were not decimated by diseases imported with foreign apples, but past governments ignored the importance of our home grown market, and orchards grew old and were scrubbed out!

Pity MM106 root stock was not patented ... most of the apple world should be thankful of the great gift we gave them!


Like Amm
and our own Tamar Valley Varieties of apple, I think there is a place to preserve them, after all perhaps it is a very ENGLISH thing to do.... Dorking Hens, Plymouth legbarrs, Aylesbury ducks, Oxford Sandy & Blacks, Soay sheep, Dartmoor ponies.... I do not think anyone not born into our culture could possibly understand !
 
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Like Amm
and our own Tamar Valley Varieties of apple, I think there is a place to preserve them, after all perhaps it is a very ENGLISH thing to do.... Dorking Hens, Plymouth legbarrs, Aylesbury ducks, Oxford Sandy & Blacks, Soay sheep, Dartmoor ponies.... I do not think anyone not born into our culture could possibly understand !

Here in Worcestershire we are so proud of the Worcester Black Pear that it's on the coat of arms. Unfortunately it's virtually inedible being as hard as a lump of granite.
 
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I like mangoes.


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.... "I do not think anyone not born into our culture could possibly understand !"

Get a life
 
I like to buy English apples, and I do when available as the quality and flavour is so much better than varieties grown and imported

but past governments ignored the importance of our home grown market,

after all perhaps it is a very ENGLISH thing to do

I do not think anyone not born into our culture could possibly understand !


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"Native" mellifera in Australia


http://museum.wa.gov.au/explore/online-exhibitions/cockatoo-care/feral-bees

The European honey bee (Apis mellifera) is an exotic species that was introduced into the Australian environment over 170 years ago. Honey bees were used to pollinate plants grown by early settlers for food - a task that was previously done by hand. Honey bees are now kept commercially for honey production, but feral bees have also become an increasing threat to our native hollow-dwelling fauna, particularly black cockatoos, through competition for suitable hollows, and possibly also competition for nectar.
Bees in trial nest box - MundaringPhoto by Ron JohnstonImage copyright of WA Museum.
From the original hives, honey bees have swarmed and become feral pests. They have now spread throughout much of Western Australia and Australia, including the semi-arid interior eucalypt and rainforests, coastal heaths, farming and grazing land and urban areas. They are a particular nuisance during summer months when they seek water to cool their hive. Feral honey bees are generally aggressive, have a tendency to swarm and they are of little value for commercial honey production or for pollination of crops.


Feral bees have become a significant problem because of the change from grass based grains, such as wheat, to flowering plants, particularly lupins and canola. Flowering plants produce both nectar and pollen, which has caused an increase in the numbers of feral bees as they use these areas as a major food source, swarming more frequently.
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OVERVIEW OF FERAL AND MANAGED
HONEYBEES IN AUSTRALIA: 77 pages 1996


Overview of Feral and Managed Honeybees in Australia


http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/bees/index.html


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When the British Isles were almost completely swept clear of its bees as a consequence of the great bee plague known in 1904 as the Isle of Wight disease, .


I'm fed up of reading this oft repeated dog toffee.
I'm sure that in some areas ( mainly the good beekeeping pastures of the home counties ) most of the managed bees were killed off by this phenomena, but I've searched and failed to find any evidense that IoW had much impact in West Wales and I'm sure the same holds for the majority of less fashionable bveekeeping areas. My hunch is that most of the bees of the old boys network died and this was translated into "everybody" by the authors of the day who were certainly part of this "club".
 
The answer to aggressive bees is simple, cull them.
If we all went about culling any queens who's colonies showed undue aggression early in the season then it would quickly follow that less open mated queens would found aggressive colonies for the following seasons.
What we need are draconian bee safaris where all managed colonies could be objectively assessed and dealt with. Obviously a ready supply of replacement queens would be needed so each association should begin preparations the season before by breeding these queens from the most suitable stocks and overwintering as many as possible. Dissenters from the programme would also have to be controlled or culled and of course, imports should be rounded up and sent to the gulag.
For a brighter future in 2013 vote for mbc
 
I do not think anyone not born into our culture could possibly understand !......

and definitely not the Englishman's sense of humour

incomprehensible even to the majority of peoples who benefited by being civilised by the Great British Empire!!

( except the Aussies and the inhabitants of the (now) USA !)

and as for Dartmoor Ponies...... They been nibblin at yer again roses DanBee?
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The answer to aggressive bees is simple, cull them.
If we all went about culling any queens who's colonies showed undue aggression early in the season then it would quickly follow that less open mated queens would found aggressive colonies for the following seasons.
What we need are draconian bee safaris where all managed colonies could be objectively assessed and dealt with. Obviously a ready supply of replacement queens would be needed so each association should begin preparations the season before by breeding these queens from the most suitable stocks and overwintering as many as possible. Dissenters from the programme would also have to be controlled or culled and of course, imports should be rounded up and sent to the gulag.
For a brighter future in 2013 vote for mbc

Ye gads - when did this thread get moved into the 'environmental' section?! :eek: :p
 
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The story continues y 1926

"heather bees from Holland were brought over. These did not prove satisfactory, but this was a good way of filling the gap and receiving Italian queens,
which have taken the place of the old English bee; but to what extent is not now known."

Who can say what really has happened to "English bees" after that?



I think that in my country bee stock have changed totally many times during last 100 years.

50 y ago there was a Caucasian bee invasion here but it stopped soon.

20-25 y ago varroa killed German Black bees and the mongrels.

At same time we got good quality Carniolans to the country.

30 y ago artificial insemination become more usual and we got very high quality bees. They were calm, healthy and busy and productive.

Some cry Black Bees back but they are not many.

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I'm fed up of reading this oft repeated dog toffee.
I'm sure that in some areas ( mainly the good beekeeping pastures of the home counties ) most of the managed bees were killed off by this phenomena, but I've searched and failed to find any evidense that IoW had much impact in West Wales and I'm sure the same holds for the majority of less fashionable bveekeeping areas. My hunch is that most of the bees of the old boys network died and this was translated into "everybody" by the authors of the day who were certainly part of this "club".

so tired of dog toffee myself.:yeahthat:
 
The answer to aggressive bees is simple, cull them.
If we all went about culling any queens who's colonies showed undue aggression early in the season then it would quickly follow that less open mated queens would found aggressive colonies for the following seasons.
What we need are draconian bee safaris where all managed colonies could be objectively assessed and dealt with. Obviously a ready supply of replacement queens would be needed so each association should begin preparations the season before by breeding these queens from the most suitable stocks and overwintering as many as possible. Dissenters from the programme would also have to be controlled or culled and of course, imports should be rounded up and sent to the gulag.
For a brighter future in 2013 vote for mbc

YaVol :nono:
 
Ye gads - when did this thread get moved into the 'environmental' section?! :eek: :p

I've taken note from certain other threads of the style needed for success ( or at least chasing away most rational objections ) and thought I'd give it a whizz:rolleyes:
 
I'm fed up of reading this oft repeated dog toffee.
I'm sure that in some areas ( mainly the good beekeeping pastures of the home counties ) most of the managed bees were killed off by this phenomena, but I've searched and failed to find any evidense that IoW had much impact in West Wales and I'm sure the same holds for the majority of less fashionable bveekeeping areas. My hunch is that most of the bees of the old boys network died and this was translated into "everybody" by the authors of the day who were certainly part of this "club".

Whoa...hold off the dogs<G>.

There is nothing in what Finman quoted and your post that are inconsistent with eachother. I have never heard it said that ALL the bees died all at once.

I have my own beliefs as to why relict popuations that are virtually the oldblack bee, and it actually relies on there being some left to interbreed with the new stuff.................then add 100 years.

Never seen a 100% wipeout quoted anywhere. If anything that sensational HAD happened we would know all about it..........plus we would not have had so many black bees round the fringes.
 
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Bees were 100 years ago better that nowadays?

All breeding work have bee mere nuisance?


During my beekeeping 50 years honey yields per hive have risen 3 fold.
Beehives are bigger and healthier. Easy to manage and predictable.


The amount of stings were horrible 40 years ago compared to nowadays.
Moving hives and hangling is like schilden play compared to semiferal mongrels.

Bee pastures have changed really much.

It was said that angry hives forage better. But it was nonsense. Modern calm hives forage more.

But of course mad stinger hives exist, but seldom.

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