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in the thread : how much space do bees need during the winter: mention was made of putting a super on the brood box with drawn out frames for extra storage space.
What do we put between the boxes ,nothing , or crown board with another crown board on top of the super, or queen excluder with crown board on top of super to avoid having to find the queen in the spring??

James
 
Nothing, super on or below the brood box directly. Crown board for the top only, NO queen excluder this time of year or during winter. The danger is that with a QE on the queen gets left behind if the main body of bees move up to feed and leaves the queen behind to die.
Steven
 
It is more of a risk them having too much room than too little room. They will lose a lot of energy in too big a space.
 
in the thread : how much space do bees need during the winter: mention was made of putting a super on the brood box with drawn out frames for extra storage space.

What do we put between the boxes ,nothing , or crown board with another crown board on top of the super, or queen excluder with crown board on top of super to avoid having to find the queen in the spring??

Two different aspects there.

Last one first. It would indeed be going multi-brood, giving the possibility of the queen being in either box. *BUT* that is the whole idea - to allow the cluster (including the queen) to range over all the stores. To restrict the queen in any way implies possibly separating her from the cluster, with potentially fatal consequences.

Putting a shallow box of drawn comb on (above or "super") the existing brood box at this point in the season would be rather foolish. Heat rises. No point going into winter with a largely empty topspace taking the warmth from the bees. You might as well raise the crownboard on matchsticks at the same time.
*IF* you really, really, really have come to the belated conclusion that your bees would benefit even at this late stage from additional storage space, it would be much safer (thus IMHO more sensible) to put the additional shallow box under the brood - so "nadir", not super. Long before your first spring inspection it will be empty. So, it should be quite easy to make sure that the queen isn't in it, when you remove that box at that 'first full inspection'.
 
And thanks from me too, also for the tag "For the beginner I feel there is considerable advantage in using a glass, or clear plastic, crown board to cover the bees." -- Ted Hooper, Guide to Bees and Honey" 'cos I do that and have been too embarrassed to say (as I had the impression it was pehaps a bit naff). I know it is not recommended for the winter but surely it is OK with lots of insulation? I just like looking at them without disturbing them
 
You WILL disturb them by taking the roof off.
 
And thanks from me too, also for the tag "For the beginner I feel there is considerable advantage in using a glass, or clear plastic, crown board to cover the bees." I know it is not recommended for the winter but surely it is OK with lots of insulation?


Some will say it is not ok.
Experience tells me ( some of my hives have a clear crown board and some do not) that it makes not a jot of difference as long as you use decent insulation.
Cazza
 
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