What is a "kolb" device in English?

[ugcheleuce]

Hello everyone

What is the name that you have in your country or language for this device?
http://www.imkerpedia.nl/wiki/index.php/Kolbtoestel

The purpose of the device is to loosen honey before extraction (useful for very thick honey). Note: it's not a fork -- each of the pegs are loose.

Thanks
Samuel

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Added: It seems to be related to the "erica" brush:
http://www.bijentelersbondlanaken.be/ericaborstel

 

[REDWOOD]

There is no translation because it is named after the guy who invented it

 

[ugcheleuce]

There is no translation because it is named after the guy who invented it

Well, if an invention is fairly recent and is not yet proven to be not a flash in the pan, then I would buy that argument, but this device has been in use for over a century, and is still in use (and is sold in online beekeeping stores), and the device's name (or the guy's name) has become a verb in Dutch that is often used in beekeeping circles.

I guess part of my question is: do you use this device or something similar in your country, and if so, what do you call it?

Samuel

 

[itma]

I note the photo of "Een rollend kolbtoestel."

Thorne sell an "Uncapping Roller" for £18.

Hope that helps.

 

[ugcheleuce]

I note the photo of "Een rollend kolbtoestel."
Thorne sell an "Uncapping Roller" for £18.

Well, yes, from what I read in Dutch forums, the device (or roller devices) are often used for uncapping (and this causes such people to complain about its ineffectiveness).

But if I understand correctly, the kolb device is not a cell uncapper but a honey loosener. On the one site it says "Het ‘stempelen’ of ‘kolben’ maakt de heidehoning los in de vooraf ontzegelde cellen" (stamping or colbing loosens the heath honey in cells that have been uncapped). One description of its usage says that the device is heated before/during use, so I guess it works by slightly heating up the honey without heating the whole comb.

What do English beekeepers do with comb in which the honey is so thick that you can't get it out of the comb when placed in a centrifuge?

Samuel

 

[itma]

Well, yes, from what I read in Dutch forums, the device (or roller devices) are often used for uncapping (and this causes such people to complain about its ineffectiveness).

But if I understand correctly, the kolb device is not a cell uncapper but a honey loosener. ...

You'll note that Abelo sell a similar roller as a "heather honey loosener".

Spinning heather honey is pretty ineffectual. Even after warming the combs.
Hence it is sometimes pressed (in a thing very like a small cider press) and the simple thing is to sell it as cut comb.

Personally, I've not had heather to deal with ...

 

[ugcheleuce]

You'll note that Abelo sell a similar roller as a "heather honey loosener".

Oh, nice, thanks. Googling for that also got me this page:
http://beeman.se/biodling/ljung/ling-2-nf.htm

I notice that Wikipedia says that thixotropic fluids (e.g. heather honey) can be made to flow not only stirring but also by shaking. I wonder if there is a method of dealing with heather honey that shakes or vibrates the comb instead of sticking a pointy thing into each cell to "stir" it. Perhaps a paint mixer on a low setting would do the trick.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Oh, nice, thanks. Googling for that also got me this page:
http://beeman.se/biodling/ljung/ling-2-nf.htm

I notice that Wikipedia says that thixotropic fluids (e.g. heather honey) can be made to flow not only stirring but also by shaking. I wonder if there is a method of dealing with heather honey that shakes or vibrates the comb instead of sticking a pointy thing into each cell to "stir" it. Perhaps a paint mixer on a low setting would do the trick.

The commercial looseners, which work, are too expensive for a beekeeper with only a few hives. The little hand held rollers are a waste of space. Shaking the whole comb is useless because the honey won't come out of the cells.

If you're seriously thinking of using a paint stirrer in some way, you'd have to scrape all the honey and comb into a bucket and then mix it up, you'd still have to separate the honey from the wax. It won't go through a sieve without a bit of help.

If the comb is warm enough, and the room and extractor are warm enough, some heather mix will come out using a tangential extractor, but the pure stuff will still tend to stay in the cells. The best way of extracting on a small scale is to scrape if off the frame, warm it, and use a press. The alternative is to use starter strips or unwired foundation and try to sell it as cut comb.

From an Irish site : http://www.irishbeekeeping.ie/honeyshow/honeyprep.html

 

[mbc]

I use a hand held heather loosener (on the same lines as the machine in the link but a couple of grand cheaper) and a tangential extractor. You pay with your time though, I get about a hundredweight of extracted heather honey from a long day's sticky work. I am waiting for a full frame loosener to come up second hand at a reasonable price

This: http://beeman.se/biodling/ljung/ling-2-nf.htm link with the prongy machine, rather than the earlier roller one.

 

[mbc]

This fella


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[BKF Admin]

I have one that lives in a wooden box:

 

[Taylan]

I have one similar to this I thought it was called a Jigler

 

[Margaret Elisabeth]

The Kolbtoestel is a tool to honey before going to loose in the comb swinging . Before (and during) the kolbtoestel heated. Use Some honey (such as heather honey) is so thick that sway otherwise hardly succeed.
My interperatation of the translation.
The Kolb Teasle is a tool for loosening honey before the comb goes to the extractor. Some honey is so thick that the extractor is inefective. Heating the Teasle before and during use thins the honey so that it can be extracted.

Handkolbtoestel placed on the comb of honey room. The pins that are not in the cells pockets remain simply rest on the edges of the cells.


A rolling kolbtoestel.
Kolbtoestel It is for the first time an exhibition in August 1908 to Weisenfels exhibited by Mr. Max Kolb and awarded. [1]

 

[ugcheleuce]

Google translation: The Kolbtoestel is a tool to honey before going to loose in the comb swinging . Before (and during) the kolbtoestel heated. Use Some honey (such as heather honey) is so thick that sway otherwise hardly succeed.

My interperatation of the translation: The Kolb Teasle is a tool for loosening honey before the comb goes to the extractor. Some honey is so thick that the extractor is inefective. Heating the Teasle before and during use thins the honey so that it can be extracted.

Thanks, Margaret.

If I understand correctly, this translation is an example of how one can mistranslate the text if one does not have background knowledge of a subject and believes that the text contains all clues to the information.

It is tempting to translate the two facts:
1. the device is heated before and during operation
2. some honey is so thick that extraction is otherwise impossible
...as if they are related, and as if together they would mean:
heating the device before and during operation makes extraction possible for honey that is so thick that extraction is otherwise impossible.

If I understand correctly, however, those two sentences are separate pieces of unrelated fact. The honey isn't made more liquid because of heating it, but because of stirring it (agitating it). Heating simply makes the device easier to use (so that less honey sticks to it, presumably).

This means that the word "otherwise" in the second sentence of your quote points not to the first sentence in your quote but rather to the sentence before the first sentence (which you did not quote).

Am I right?

Samuel

 

[mbc]

I have one that lives in a wooden box:

Are there any other beekeepers who keep Gimps ?

 

[Luminos]

Are there any other beekeepers who keep Gimps ?

Only gimp pins