uniting nuc with national hive

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paulgid

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hi all
i have one national hive with no queen but i have a nuc with new queen laying what would be the best way to unit the two?.they are about two meters from each other with another hive inbetween.
regards paul
 
Instant question is have you tested the Q- box with a test frame?

PH
 
yes no queen .they swarmed and the queen was clipped so they came back.
 
You lost a clipped queen and now consider the hive to be q- ?

Why do you think you have no queen? No brood is not the right answer here.

I would suggest a test frame is needed to tell if there is a virgin lurikng.


PH
 
i know why there is no queen they swarmed with clipped queen and as a clipped queen cannot fly the swarm comes back to hive to wait for first virgin to hatch and they swarm with her. this is not the question i asked .what is the best way to unit a nuc with laying queen to a queenless national hive.
:beatdeadhorse5:
 
Can you move the nuc away 3 miles and then back later, putting on or alongside the hive for a while before putting the frames and bees in a brood box over the other with newspaper?

I understand PH's train of thought, If they swarmed or attempted they will have left sealed queen cells behind, unless you knocked them down by mistake; a cast swarm should still leave a viable cell or a virgin in the hive. Even if you want to unite, you should still drop a test frame into the hive to double check.
 
Can you move the nuc away 3 miles and then back later, putting on or alongside the hive for a while before putting the frames and bees in a brood box over the other with newspaper?

I understand PH's train of thought, If they swarmed or attempted they will have left sealed queen cells behind, unless you knocked them down by mistake; a cast swarm should still leave a viable cell or a virgin in the hive. Even if you want to unite, you should still drop a test frame into the hive to double check.

no need for the 3 mile move, the combine will shake them up they will orientate as they come out of the hive as it is all new, various methods IF THE HIVE IS REALLY QUEENLESS, (why did she swarm, where is the virgin queen/Queen cell that caused her to swarm)

1) place the nuc frames in a brood box above a Queenless brood with QE and newpaper over it, ( four of five small 1/4" slashes in it)

after at least 4 days prefrable 7 days reverse the boxes QE still between and add as much capped brood as you can to the brood with nuc frames, remove old brood box when all brood in it has hatched

( i use a snelgrove board as a drone release)
or


2) remove two or three frames from the old brood and then split that hive at one side of the brood nest , spay rosewater or lemon water on the bees on the frames and void between them

take the queen in the nuc with two or three brood frames so the queen goes into the dark middle, spray only the two outer side of frames and place these and queen in the void, shake all bees left in the nuc infront of the hive with board from any emerge siver backs to climb up

donate any spare brood to other week hives
 
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The primary question is the colony actually queenless. Everything else depends on that and you seeing the queen get lost is neither here nor there.

You are saying, even if you do not realise it that you do not actually know.

PH
 
Uniting is covered in detail in all the good bee books. I would suggest you read up on the various methods and choose your own. Asking here will get several options, each of which happens to be the 'bees knees' for that particular respondent.

Checking and ascertaining the Q status of the colony is all part of uniting, and if you need to come onto the forum to ask about uniting, you need to heed advice given freely by someone far more experienced than yourself.

RAB
 
i know why there is no queen they swarmed with clipped queen and as a clipped queen cannot fly the swarm comes back to hive to wait for first virgin to hatch and they swarm with her. this is not the question i asked .what is the best way to unit a nuc with laying queen to a queenless national hive.
:beatdeadhorse5:

PH is correct you have to be very confident that the hive is Q-

First just because the first virgin left with a swarm are you confident the bees forgot to raise more than one virgin?

You have plenty of hives and a test frame should be easy for you to try first.
 
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