Summer varroa treatment in Italy

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Just factory farming then, OK.

That is right. Nothing show business. Just to keep bees on back yeard 54 years is not life.

Big yields is my challenge every year. Nothing ordinary or "catch and reliese" or "do nothing".


I found yesterday 30 hectares wheat fields contaminated heavily by Sonchus arvensis perennial sowthistle . I go now and I move 3 hives to it. Clock is now 5 in the morning.

Top box of hives I take to home and I make 3 nucs.
 
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Do you mean it does not work as a treatment as it clearly works as a varroa detector.

Read researches.

80% of mites are under cappings. If your pour powder sugar 2 kilos per week into the hive, it clearly makes better yield.
 
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Read researches.

80% of mites are under cappings. If your pour powder sugar 2 kilos per week into the hive, it clearly makes better yield.

Yes I did and it appears to me from the research that there is firstly a correlation between the total number of mites in the hive and the number that are phoretic at the sampling stage and secondly that treatments are only effective when the mites are phoretic.

It is apparently more accurate than counting mites that just drop onto a bottom sampling board, provided the sample number of bees is similar on each occasion.
 
Motorbiman Here is a useful article about monitoring mites:
http://scientificbeekeeping.com/fighting-varroa-reconnaissance-mite-sampling/

He has a more up-to-date design of the alcohol wash or powder sugar roll.

Yes there's some good stuff in there and it was partly the mention of the 'fall peak' that made me jump in here

I shall be sugar shake jar sampling my girls soon.

As an aside, anyone got any info on what sort of mask I should wear during oxalic acid vaporisation?
 
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At our place, stopping her to lay will mean less bees which should nurse winter bees and at the end less winter bees. Our carnies also by themselves decrease brooding as season is going to an end. Since at my place there is no now significant forage I do stimulative feed to queen don't even more due to lack of forage decrease or stop laying. Stopping queen to lay at my place I believe will be suicide..

Yes stopping queen from laying for s long, would be suicide for you and me... BUT!

Eyeman said it just about right.

The guy who sold me bees, does more of professional bee production, than honey production. I asked him how to fight varroa. He said it like this (and this happens naturally for him):

After Acacia has passed, split hives in order to make more colonies. Newly formed colonies, are with old queen (or new if you work a little bit more), and by default without any comb, and any brood. You treat those newly formed colonies with any kind of treatment you prefer right away. You can even use amitraz since there is no comb yet.

The old hive, in which there is brood, you wait some time until all cells are hatched. Than you treat, and you introduce new queen (or if you caged old one...).

Obviously, you can wait for old colony to raise new queen, but if you don't want to loose time you will prepare queens by raising them in April or May.

This way you wait for winter treatment with OC, and that's it.

It is very logical. Especially if you are new beekeeper and you want to expand, or if you are already commercial beekeeper, and you want to sell nucs. In second case, it would be matter of good business habit to supply your customers with new queens, instead delivering them your old queens.

Yes it seems like a lot of work, and it is, but if you love your bees, than there is no such thing as a lot of work. (Same goes for any animals. I keep two goats, and i have to the same amount of work for them, as for ten goats. I used to keep 20 goats, so i would know) :)

Cheers all.
 
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I do not count mites. I only kill them. They are there without counting.

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Of course they are but if your treat when there is no need aren't you just adding to the resistant mite problem?
 
Mites resistant to amitraz showed up in the U.S. about 15 years ago. Any time a single treatment is relied on for mite control, there is potential for resistance to develop. There are treatments for which the potential to develop resistance is limited. As someone said, if you use a 5 pound sledgehammer to kill mites, it is very difficult for the mite to develop tolerance to 5 pound sledgehammers. It does not matter if the sledgehammer is made of brass or iron, the mite will still be killed. Organic acids are in many ways like a sledgehammer, they kill mites by degrading the mites external body parts. Whether oxalic or formic acid is used is not much difference, one is iron, the other is brass.

There is a balance point where bees and varroa reach stasis with mites always present but never wiping out a colony. This point is reached when the bees are able to control the mites via inheritable traits. It will never be reached so long as external mite treatments are applied. Eventually, the mite susceptible bees will die. What is left will be mite tolerant bees.
 
Seems there is a balance point if left in isolation. Isolated colonies in both Gotland (Sweden) and in Avignon (France) have survived for over 10 years without
the use of mite control treatments.
Interestingly neither exhibit hygienic behavior for this adaption and are small sized colonies...can't remember the exact causes but different in both cases, more to do with controlling varroa fertility by 2 different mechanisms or perhaps the varroa are inbred (isolated colonies) and are infertile.
Of more relevance is when theFrench colonies were treated with miticides honey yields nearly doubled. Suggesting that the energetics of constantly being parasitized at a sub lethal level is high.
I prefer my bees and cat to live without parasites eating away at them.
 
in Italy they stop the queen from laying by caging her for 21 days, so there is no capped brood in the nest to hide the mites and then they treat the bees.

Am I missing something?
21 days is the worker brood cycle but the drone takes 24 days. Varroa infest both worker and drone cells but are able to produce more adult daughters in drones because of the longer capped period.
If they intervene at 21 days, a large proportion of the adult female mites will still be protected in the drone cells. Phoretic treatments alone will not be enough.
 
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Do you mean it does not work as a treatment as it clearly works as a varroa detector.

Sugar dusting is not a treatment for varroa. It merely detaches the phoretic varroa from the bee sample. In fact, they used this method in the Netherlands to get enough live varroa to innoculate the mini-plus for the VSH trials (https://aristabeeresearch.org/)
 
Seems there is a balance point if left in isolation. Isolated colonies in both Gotland (Sweden) and in Avignon (France) have survived for over 10 years without
the use of mite control treatments.
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You are better to read the history, how bees went to Gotland.

IT did not happen in 10 years and it did not happened in isolation.

Nothing balance on there.

Pure fairytales.
 
If they intervene at 21 days, a large proportion of the adult female mites will still be protected in the drone cells. Phoretic treatments alone will not be enough.
In reality most of the time there isn't a lot of drone brood around after 21 days and and what is can Simply be uncapped with an uncapping fork or if your intervention is later in the season then there won't be much drone brood around
 
Am I missing something?
21 days is the worker brood cycle but the drone takes 24 days. Varroa infest both worker and drone cells but are able to produce more adult daughters in drones because of the longer capped period.
If they intervene at 21 days, a large proportion of the adult female mites will still be protected in the drone cells. Phoretic treatments alone will not be enough.

It is late in the season, so there isn't that much drone. The queen is released in time to start laying the winter bees.
Apparently some do cage for 25 days though to get also what little drone there is, I'm guessing that is when the treatment is needed earlier and the drone population is more relevant.
 
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Sugar dusting is not a treatment for varroa. It merely detaches the phoretic varroa from the bee sample. In fact, they used this method in the Netherlands to get enough live varroa to innoculate the mini-plus for the VSH trials (https://aristabeeresearch.org/)

Exactly, I didn't say it was a treatment, hence the question (missed the question mark off).
 

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