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I intend to enter Honey in a local show and have purchased jars from a well known supplier. Upon examination by my wife, before bottling, they have small scratches on them, presumably from the manufacturing process.
Is this normal? After searching the Forum it seems that W.J. are the jars I should have brought. Has any other Member come across this problem?
 
I intend to enter Honey in a local show and have purchased jars from a well known supplier. Upon examination by my wife, before bottling, they have small scratches on them, presumably from the manufacturing process.
Is this normal? After searching the Forum it seems that W.J. are the jars I should have brought. Has any other Member come across this problem?

Unfortunately yes, we had a chap do a talk on preparing for a show. When he selected his jars he would go through a full box to present the best ones.
 
As a senior honey judge with 30 + yrs in the job, I can reassure you that good judges don't downgrade jars on the basis of a small scratchs or minor blemishes in the glass. Years ago they might have done as it was possible to get decent jars. The days of perfect jars are now long gone. Similalrly we don't downgrade for travel splash on the inside of the lid so no point in changing lids at the show as you lose the aroma and more likely to let dust get in.
 
Although i have seen a judge pull one entry in the multiple class because the batch numbers embossed on the bottom of the dozen jars weren't all the same

I agree, the gent giving the talk mentioned having matching batch numbers and also suggested changing lids on arrival. (I agree again, that this can have an effect on the aroma)

Not all honey judges can be experts ( all have to start with the first judging appointment)
 
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Did anyone challenge this behaviour?

No - was told to me by the judge's steward, don't know whether the judge left a note with his reasons (which he should have done) pretty pointless putting a complaint in really - cost £25.00 to lodge it and by theat time the Royal Welsh is over and the judge home by the end of the first day anyway
 
As long as the jars are of the same type and manufacture, the mould numbers (they are usually not batch numbers) on the bottom are irrelevant. We are, of course, mainly interested in the honey in the jar. Judges that do "strange" things should be questioned about them by the steward that accompanies him/her. I am quite happy to explain my actions at a show and often do open judging in front of an audience (often containing most of the exhibitors) and will take questions as I go along . This feedback improves the standards of the entries although does take much longer to complete the judging

Too many entries of otherwise excellent honey get eliminated due to too little care being taken by the exhibitor eg obvious bits of debris suspended in the honey or bits of wax floating on the top, incipient granulation in liquid honey, entries in wrong class eg medioum honey in light class, soft set in naturally granulated class, soft set that isn't set, underweight jars. I also come across stuff that should not be in a show such as fermenting honey, honey with over 20% water, filthy dented and rusty lids, dog/cat hairs and eyelashes in the honey. Once found a blue bottle drowned in a jar, an entry of wired cut comb and totally uncapped chunk in jar of chunk honey etc.
 
Had half gross of Honey Jars delivered yesterday from C wynne Jones and having examined a random dozen, could not find any scratches or other imperfections. Were the other jars seconds ? I will not use that supplier again, even though they give a discount to BBKA members.
 
As a senior honey judge with 30 + yrs in the job, I can reassure you that good judges don't downgrade jars on the basis of a small scratchs or minor blemishes in the glass. Years ago they might have done as it was possible to get decent jars. The days of perfect jars are now long gone. Similalrly we don't downgrade for travel splash on the inside of the lid so no point in changing lids at the show as you lose the aroma and more likely to let dust get in.



Sadly, I don't think this is universal.

Open judging is surely a better way to go, especially for one day shows. One of our local shows judges with e tent open, the other keeps it closed till everything in the section is completed; that ranges from art to wax. Not good, but it's "traditional".
 

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