Queen breed does it matter?

[eltalia]

"feed (after 3 days of capture) them sugar syrup regardless of any flow"

Please reconsider offering this advice at all, but particularly among those who
know no better - ranks as up there with the worst of what can be done with
a hived swarm.

/pointy finger/

Bill

 

[mbc]

"feed (after 3 days of capture) them sugar syrup regardless of any flow"

Please reconsider offering this advice at all, but particularly among those who
know no better - ranks as up there with the worst of what can be done with
a hived swarm.

/pointy finger/

Bill

Nonsense, to feed a swarm is good advice in almost all circumstances.

 

[Mrsteve]

Thanks all.
I do have a mentor, well a few actually they ran the beginners course and they have been great, but I don't like to hassle them too much they get daily questions as it is!
I don't want to combine if I can help it, I have enough equipment for 2 hives.
I didn't want to go into too much detail I like to keep it simple, but basically my green queen vanished and I had a few queen cells. They emerged. So I now have a new Virgin in my original hive and a swarm which I tried to recover which I am pretty sure was from my hive.
I will have a good look tonight and confirm if the swarm is queenless.
And yes my mentor told me to feed the swarm

 

[Murox]

a swarm has no resources other than themselves

As a swarm the bees have no resources but themselves and as a new beekeeper with only a box of foundation you can encourage bees to draw comb and some colonies thrive with a little boost, this is especially true for a new hive.
Three main conditions need to be met for comb building - they must need it, have warm temperatures and have abundant food available.

Some beekeepers say you should never feed bees. Other beekeepers accept the need to feed their honey bees when conditions warrant it. Typically I feed in two circumstances - the life of the hive/nuc depends on it or if I am treating for an illness and never feed any bees that would be making honey.

Take a look through the advices of the national bee unit.
http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/searchResults.cfm

 

[eltalia]

As a swarm the bees have no resources but themselves and as a new beekeeper with only a box of foundation you can encourage bees to draw comb and some colonies thrive with a little boost, this is especially true for a new hive.
Three main conditions need to be met for comb building - they must need it, have warm temperatures and have abundant food available.

Some beekeepers say you should never feed bees. Other beekeepers accept the need to feed their honey bees when conditions warrant it. Typically I feed in two circumstances - the life of the hive/nuc depends on it or if I am treating for an illness and never feed any bees that would be making honey.

Take a look through the advices of the national bee unit.
http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/searchResults.cfm

...and yet here you are telling those looking for sound advice to feed bees -
a hived swarm at that - in a flow.
/shakes head/

One just hopes whomsoever has a head loaded with working grey matter
on their shoulders. Hic

Bill

 

[eltalia]

"and yes my mentor told me to feed the swarm "

Along with the facts you see before you in the hives(now)
I'd commend your decision to ask elsewhere. Clearly that
'mentoring' isn't working for you... just be a tad
wary of answers you get here also.
Many are simply repeating web found nonsense - n0t thinking
for themselves n0r relying on actual experience amongst bees
of any helpfull scale.

Bill

 

[Poly Hive]

When someone keeps spouting rubbish in my view it makes them candidates for the ignore list.

Why feed lines to the rubbish producer?

PH

 

[eltalia]

When someone keeps spouting rubbish in my view it makes them candidates for the ignore list.

Why feed lines to the rubbish producer?

PH

Simply put?
It is good manners to give reference, regardless of the harm
brought to some heads in reading the quoted passage.

Note the succinct version - for that eclair type.
/smiles/

Bill

 

[Mrsteve]

OK. Seems like everyone has different ideas on what to do. This becomes an issue for a beginner, just have to see what happens and learn the hard way I guess. Thanks.

 

[roche]

If you have a poly nuc, keep them in that for 2 weeks, feed them now, and see what happens. Either you will have a mated queen, or you will not. If you don't have a nuc, try and make the brood box smaller, at least for the first week or so. Maybe 6 frames, and block off the free space.

 

[Mrsteve]

If you have a poly nuc, keep them in that for 2 weeks, feed them now, and see what happens. Either you will have a mated queen, or you will not. If you don't have a nuc, try and make the brood box smaller, at least for the first week or so. Maybe 6 frames, and block off the free space.

OK, I do have an empty nuc which I could put them in, can I ask why this helps?

 

[roche]

It restricts the space they need to keep warm. They have limited resources, so getting to temperature where they are easily able to draw comb needs to be made easy. Same applies to feeding - they need the energy and material to draw the comb. After that, they need to be able to keep brood warm and forage. The less the effort needed to keep warm will free more workers for foraging, particularly for pollen, which provides the protein for the brood.
A couple of weeks will let you see if you have a laying queen, and hopefully if she is laying worker or drone.

 

[Poly Hive]

I have just advised a person on a FB group to remove the super from the nuc they hived 2 weeks ago and are complaining it is not moving faster.... I wonder why???

PH

 

[Mrsteve]

Great thanks. If I get chance I will move them into the nuc.

 

[eltalia]

It restricts the space they need to keep warm. They have limited resources, so getting to temperature where they are easily able to draw comb needs to be made easy. Same applies to feeding - they need the energy and material to draw the comb. After that, they need to be able to keep brood warm and forage. The less the effort needed to keep warm will free more workers for foraging, particularly for pollen, which provides the protein for the brood.

... which are _exactly_ all the reasons n o t . t o . f e e d in building (Establishment),
more so where a noticable flow is on - as has been put in the info posted!

Steve has simply done what many thousands of new players reading Internet garbage
have done.. "pump them full of lollywater (sugar) and whack a box on, she'll be right"!
And now the classic.. "it is all too confusing I'll get tuit whenever".

...and the naive wonder how (it) to get to post counts of tens of thousands in a
few short years... sheeesh.
/shrugs/

Bill

 

[roche]

... which are _exactly_ all the reasons n o t . t o . f e e d in building (Establishment),
more so where a noticable flow is on - as has been put in the info posted!

Steve has simply done what many thousands of new players reading Internet garbage
have done.. "pump them full of lollywater (sugar) and whack a box on, she'll be right"!
And now the classic.. "it is all too confusing I'll get tuit whenever".

...and the naive wonder how (it) to get to post counts of tens of thousands in a
few short years... sheeesh.
/shrugs/

Bill

I'm not seeing any facts here.

 

[eltalia]

I'm not seeing any facts here.

Now that is weird as it is your post I used as structure.
You are saying?

Bill