Not using queen excluder - didn't seem to work

[Thymallus]

Beekeeping skills alone are not going to obtain those huge yields if it is cold and raining most of the spring/summer.

Correct, but when it isn't cold and raining they will give huge yields. That is the point.

 

[Ely]

Correct, but when it isn't cold and raining they will give huge yields. That is the point.

If all goes to plan. Not sure what the point is in this statement

 

[Thymallus]

Little point in assuming it will always go wrong. Boy scout motto "always be prepared".

 

[Finman]

Little point in assuming it will always go wrong. Boy scout motto "always be prepared".

When I started my beekeeping, it took 7 years that I did not meet big surprises any more.

What I think about good yields

- skills. 1/3
- weather. 1/3
- luck 1/3

It is great luck to find a good rape field and a farmer is frienly and arranges a good situation to hives..
It is not allways so.

 

[Finman]

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Funny discussion ... Again. Every one try to claim, that I nurse hives wrong when I get easily over 100 kg/hive. Some try to spoil their own life when they try to prove that I have not hives at all.



Original question was, how to nurse hive without excluder. You have out thete the revolutionar Rose Hive system, which is nursing without excluder and nothing more. It has much nonsense, but who cares about that. Does Long Hive has excluder?

What I can say is that if you have mesh floor, hive is too cold and Queen goes upstairs to lay. That is big issue.

Important is that Queen had space to show, how good layer it is.
Another important thing is that hive is able to store big amount of pollen near brood, and it does not situate it into supers.... This all makes that hive can grow big, but if queen is average layer, nothing special happens.

One frame of brood needs one full frame of pollen. One box brood needs one box pollen.
That is important that brooding can continue even cold and in rainy week. Bees can collect pollen at the temp of 18C.

And to get good yield, hive needs good pastures. You get nothing from nothing. Is it a physical law? And if there is too much foragers, flowers will be empty, when bee sits on the flower.

And when you have not excluder, you have opportunity to learn how bees' instincts work in free hive space. What they naturally tend to do.

You need not know about weather. It is what it is. You just load the cannon and wait that target will appear into foraging sector.

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[Norton]

Excluders are just that - to exclude the queen from laying in the supers and keep here where she belongs, in the brood chamber.

Finman: do you get problems with bears? They do in Greece and receive EU grants to install electric fences to keep the bears out.

 

[Obee1]

It is great luck to find a good rape field and a farmer is frienly and arranges a good situation to hives..
It is not allways so.

Finny do you return to the same sites every year or are you constantly trying new ones out?

 

[Finman]

Finny do you return to the same sites every year or are you constantly trying new ones out?

I keep good places and change not good places. Rape fields are always in different places.

 

[Finman]

Finman: do you get problems with bears? They do in Greece and receive EU grants to install electric fences to keep the bearsout.

Not me, but 70 beekeepers had last year bear damages.

We have a map in internet " karhuvahingot mehiläiset".
We do not get EU grants. But many bears have learned to fall down electrict fences.

 

[Finman]

Excluders are just that - to exclude the queen from laying in the supers and keep here where she belongs, in the brood chamber.

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Yeah! To separate brood and 10 kg honey, and then leave that honey as winter food.

Not to use excluder is not a problem among beekeepers, but to use it without thinking is a big problem.... As I have read from this internet. Open mesh floor and queen laying in cold weather under excluder. It is in cold prison.

Norton, you have a great task to teach how to nurse bees with excluder. Without excluder bees can take care of themselves.

Save the the bees. Throw exluders to willow bushes and learn bees natural habits. When you have learned, pick the thing from willows and use it correctly.

Researches have proved that hive without exluder and with excluder make as much honey.
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[Norton]

Researches have proved that hive without exluder and with excluder make as much honey.

So why not use them and keep the queen where she belongs and the honey brood free in the supers. We remove the supers with a blower - I get really angry if I find a failed excluder and brood in the super. Probably means that we will get a queenless hive as well.

 

[Ely]

What do you do for ventilation over winter finman? I found my solid floor quite damp and mouldy this spring.

 

[Finman]

What do you do for ventilation over winter finman? I found my solid floor quite damp and mouldy this spring.

Yes, there are dead bees, moisture and mold after Winter. It does not harm bees. If you leave that rubbish there, bees carry it away sooner or later. Think about natural cavity.

But I change the floor when I have time or take it off and clean it. I scrab dirty away.

 

[Finman]

So why not use them and keep the queen where she belongs and the honey brood free in the supers. .

yes. I had a skep 53 years ago and it had a excluder.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

So why not use them and keep the queen where she belongs and the honey brood free in the supers. We remove the supers with a blower - I get really angry if I find a failed excluder and brood in the super. Probably means that we will get a queenless hive as well.

I may have to resort to this tomorrow. How damaging is it? Where do you xatch the bees?

 

[Norton]

https://vimeo.com/102221730

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

What do you do for ventilation over winter finman? I found my solid floor quite damp and mouldy this spring.

you won't be wanting to keep solid floors when SHB turns up on our shores

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

https://vimeo.com/102221730

Please don't take this wrong: "He that knows that he does not know, he is unschooled; teach him" etc, but that leaves a number of questions and is exactly as I imagined.

So first and foremost, what happens to the non-flying bees finding themselves on the ground like that?

Thereafter: why smoke, whcih drives the bees up and fills them with honey; rather counterproductive whan taking off supers I would have thought?

Least important, where did the drones come from? A Demaree?

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

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So first and foremost, what happens to the non-flying bees finding themselves on the ground like that?

Bees can fly a couple of days after emergence - it's just thery don't need to - any bees younger than that would not have left the brood area.

 

[Ely]

you won't be wanting to keep solid floors when SHB turns up on our shores

I thought the beetle only liked small hives?