Holier than thou!

[Finman]

Were you moving at the time or did you just fall over ?

I woke up too early. I just had a dinner and I returned to my cottage..

 

[Finman]

The wasps in my bee shed came in via a gap in the door but couldn't find their way out again and beat themselves against the glass windows like bees! Must be stupid English wasps.
Cazza

That is sure. Out wasps come from Russia.

 

[BeeJayBee]

Have solved my own wasp problem by hoovering them up!

I imagine this would be quite difficult in an out apiary, except with a very long extension lead or a battery-operated vacuum cleaner!

 

[Karol]

It was this post I was referring too. A real larf, really.

Hi all,
Hope it is ok to resurrect this wasp thread because I have strange wasp behaviour going on. Six wasps sit around one side of my Maisemore poly nuc in a little group. I hoover them up and then another six turn up. I have been wondering what they are up to, planning an organised wasp attack is my fear. So far the bees are defending valiantly. However, it would now appear that they are chewing the
polystyrene? Is this in an attempt to get into the hive?

Yes, a right larf. Six hungry wasps at a time.

When someone is desperate for help and reverts to the forum for it because they don't have the experience or knowledge to deal with a situation this type of holier than thou patronising condescension does immense damage turning people off of the forum especially novices and moreover inhibits inexperienced beeks asking questions.

We're not all as clever and experienced as you oliver90owner o most revered one

 

[beeno]

Thanks for that Karol. The six hundred at the time was out of a ground nest (a new one on me) and in total 3-4,000 bees. Made a huge difference to the apiary me thinks. Hopefully, this averted the mass feeding attack which I was concerned about.

 

[oliver90owner]

Yes, Karol, but perhaps one might take into consideration that this poster tells new beeks that the queen stops laying three weeks before swarming; that her queen lays fifty thousand eggs in ten days, then has a rest; that there will be capped brood in less than three weeks after a queen cell is capped;and lots more like it. Doesn't give anywhere near enough information, so only guesses can be made, when posting with a problem. At nearly three thousand posts, this particular poster should be able to put a post together in a sensible fashion and/or not mislead new beeks in such an outlandish way.

Wasps are opportunists. Feed them/easy targets and their 'friends' soon arrive to take advantage; no easy pickings and they search elsewhere. A simple observation pertinent to many predators/scavengers, really. The list of examples is likely endless.

 

[BeeJayBee]

When someone is desperate for help and reverts to the forum for it because they don't have the experience or knowledge to deal with a situation ....

It's better, surely, for the poor advice to be pointed out rather than being left without comment? Isn't that what was done about poor advice about wasp traps?

 

[Karol]

It's better, surely, for the poor advice to be pointed out rather than being left without comment? Isn't that what was done about poor advice about wasp traps?

Agreed and I'm very cognisant that this works both ways. Where poor advice is given then it should be challenged but I don't think that that's what happened in this particular instance. Beeno might have given poor advice and incomplete information elsewhere and that being the case should have been challenged. Using a vacuum cleaner is not a ridiculous method for controlling wasps - I've done it many times and always with great success (the caveat being that it was the right tool used at the right time for the right job).

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

I don't judge beekeepers for exploiting bees. But it's total hypocrisy to criticise a genuine effort to provide integrated wasp management help and assistance because there's an offer of a commercial (albeit cheap in real terms) solution on a take it or leave but never openly promoted basis.

T'was on the receiving end of a particularly vociferous rant from a "member" of the Bumblely bee conversation trust... or some such organisation a couple of months back, when I suggested to a lady ( also perusing their stand of glossy leaflets) that a wasp trap would help to keep the little beasts off her jam scones... and perhaps if there was a nuisance wasp ( from description Tree Bumbles) nest nearby it should for her infant child's safety sake be irradiated.
Bumbley bee lady launched into me saying that I was wrong and all wasp traps also kill thousands of bumbley bees and honey bees and butterflies and moths... then went on to berate me as a beekeeper responsible for killing off endangered bumbley bee species species, by taking away the bumbley bee forage...

Karol... you just can not win.... lot of ostriches out there!

Mytten da

I do worry about competing for forage.

 

[fred scuttle]

When someone is desperate for help and reverts to the forum for it because they don't have the experience or knowledge to deal with a situation this type of holier than thou patronising condescension does immense damage turning people off of the forum especially novices and moreover inhibits inexperienced beeks asking questions.

We're not all as clever and experienced as you oliver90owner o most revered one

Agree wholeheartedly Karol

 

[thorn]

Or "You can leave ...>"

But I'm not going to argue Finnish transation with a Finn who has six degrees ...

You're assuming that Finman's Finnish is better than Beebot's English.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

You're assuming that Finman's Finnish is better than Beebot's English.

That's a v good joke! Taking it seriously, based on both of their form, it's probably true.