Drone Excluder / Trap

[TooBee...]

I recently read about Drone Excluders on this web page (lower half of page),
http://dave-cushman.net/bee/excludertypes.html#dronex

which is how I came across a contraption called a Drone Trap (Excluder), I have done a search, and came up with a reasonably good Plan for them here,
http://www.fpan.be/Essaim.pdf

but then I came across this photo,

it's too well made to be home made, and I think that symbol / sticker (it looks like a key) on the top may be Thorne's logo, so I'm guessing that these were made or are being made.

SO my question is, does anyone know where these can be bought locally (UK / Ireland) or does anyone have experience of these.

My thinking was that one could be modified to allow Drone out of the hive, but yet prevent them and others from coming back into the hive.

 

[Hivemaker.]

SO my question is, does anyone know where these can be bought locally (UK / Ireland) or does anyone have experience of these.

Have several of the full size wire grid type drone excluders... and a few cut down smaller, got them years ago from some place in Germany.

 

[Michael Palmer]

I just built several. Single chamber without cones. Virgin excluders to keep rogue virgins out of my cell builders. Lost 4 cell builders this past summer to virgins entering, coming from other colonies in the apiary.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

My thinking was that one could be modified to allow Drone out of the hive, but yet prevent them and others from coming back into the hive.

Why would anyone want to do such a thing?

A healthy content colony needs a healthy population of drones all you are going to do is encourage the bees to produce more.

 

[Plenty of honey]

I just built several. Single chamber without cones. Virgin excluders to keep rogue virgins out of my cell builders. Lost 4 cell builders this past summer to virgins entering, coming from other colonies in the apiary.

Off topic for drones so apologies but:

Mike, You questioned this before and you said were worried that because your builders were so full, excluding off the front would probably slow down the forager bees and massively increase congestion, but...... have you other thoughts now?
Thats the very reason i changed mine to using your method to just as a starter. Your spreading the risk load amongst your finishers, not the starter over 5 to 6 days. If you've lost 4 sets of cells? with the season being so short and loosing 4 sets , my maths calculates that you lost 48 x 4 (based on the cells you run each time) and 24 days of production. ( so i see you reason)How do you make your excluders big enough to still cope with the congestion can you post some pics please?

 

[TooBee...]

Have several of the full size wire grid type drone excluders... and a few cut down smaller, got them years ago from some place in Germany.

I think this might be what you got?
https://www.schroeders-imkerladen.de/mehrfach-fanggeraet-mfg-2.html
Google Translate describes it as "classic device for swarm prevention and queen security
with safety gate, queens and metal slide".

Here is the link to the photo that I tried to Link to in my Original Post, the photo now appears not be visible to me at least.
https://pixabay.com/en/honey-bee-swarm-trap-bees-hive-398883/

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Do yourself a favour - Spend a little more time researching tried and tested swarm control/avoidance methods rather than trawling the web for weird, unworkable and downright crackpot ideas and you'l find your beekeeping a lot more enjoyable.
All your 'good ideas' thus far seem to be nothing more than surefire methods of stressing out and compromising your colonies to the detriment of the bees and making more work for yourself not less.
There are not many shortcuts in beekeeping and thus far you have skillfully avoided most of them.
If you want to learn look at Snelgrove, Manley, Hooper and de Bruyn or as a start beekeeping for dummies or the Haynes manual.
Keep the comics for the kids.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Do yourself a favour - Spend a little more time researching tried and tested swarm control/avoidance methods rather than trawling the web for weird, unworkable and downright crackpot ideas and you'l find your beekeeping a lot more enjoyable.
All your 'good ideas' thus far seem to be nothing more than surefire methods of stressing out and compromising your colonies to the detriment of the bees and making more work for yourself not less.
There are not many shortcuts in beekeeping and thus far you have skillfully avoided most of them.
If you want to learn look at Snelgrove, Manley, Hooper and de Bruyn or as a start beekeeping for dummies or the Haynes manual.
Keep the comics for the kids.

Yes I agree
There are fixes if you can’t get to your colonies for a day or two outside the week. Clipping queens for a start but you really need to understand how a colony works. If you did you would realise that most of this stuff is rubbish.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Why would anyone want to do such a thing?

A healthy content colony needs a healthy population of drones all you are going to do is encourage the bees to produce more.

I actually looked these up having never heard of them. Dave Cusmans site has plans and he said he couldn’t keep up with demand. I’m at a loss what you would use them for. Anybody know?

 

[Hivemaker.]

I’m at a loss what you would use them for. Anybody know?

Retaining drones and keeping others out for breeding purposes.
http://dave-cushman.net/bee/dronex.html

 

[Finman]

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Closed station issue
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[Erichalfbee]

Retaining drones and keeping others out for breeding purposes.
http://dave-cushman.net/bee/dronex.html

I still don’t understand
Queens mate outside the hive and who knows what they will find out there
Perhaps I’m being thick
Thanks HM that’s the page I found earlier which is why I asked

 

[Hivemaker.]

I still don’t understand

Instrumental insemination.

http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/droneframe.html

 

[Erichalfbee]

Instrumental insemination.

http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/droneframe.html

Thank you for being so patient.
So you are keeping drones in to collect them for II. ? and keeping drones from other colonies out so you know what you have.
Thank you.

 

[Hivemaker.]

So you are keeping drones in to collect them for II. ? and keeping drones from other colonies out so you know what you have.

Or keeping them in until they have been marked... or their hive moved to an isolated place where the drone excluder is removed so they are then able to fly freely.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Got it. Thanks