do bees increase oil rape seed yield??

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Hi guys,

I do a bit of shooting and have access to a couple of farms. The farmer obviously rotates his crop and last year, he has sown winter rape for this comming year on a field in front of his house. This means that they are les likely to be tampered with or stolen compared to his other fields which are out in the middle of no where

anyway, I was going to ask him if its ok to put a hive or two on there.

just wanted to know if bees increase the yield so he sees a benefit?? also. if he does, im hoping hell let me do it for free but if not, what is the going rate that he can charge or ask for in payment
 
There used to be an increase of up to 15% in the pre self pollinating varieties.

I would use the tack that having bees on it may increase yield and certainly will not reduce it, and also offer a pound of honey per hive placed.

PH
 
There used to be an increase of up to 15% in the pre self pollinating varieties.

I would use the tack that having bees on it may increase yield and certainly will not reduce it, and also offer a pound of honey per hive placed.

PH

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Most farmers are keen to have bees on their osr so long as it doesnt inconvenience them if they should need to spray.
I dont think the modern varieties get anything like 15% seed yield increase, or we would be offered serious money to put bees on fields, nevertheless, there seems to be benefit for the farmer or they would be so keen to have our bees on the crop.
 
Hi guys,

anyway, I was going to ask him if its ok to put a hive or two on there.

I would put the bees near, not on. I've seen pictures of hives placed right in the crop, but the concensus seems to be that, while the bees are unlikely to be harmed by visiting a sprayed crop, spray drifting into the hive could be devastating.
 
I would put the bees near, not on. I've seen pictures of hives placed right in the crop, but the concensus seems to be that, while the bees are unlikely to be harmed by visiting a sprayed crop, spray drifting into the hive could be devastating.

I chased a farmer at the back of my house on Tuesday spraying his rape. The chemicals were drifting close if not on to my hives which were extremely active at the time. During the chase, my left foot went in a rabbit hole and broke my ankle :eek: That’s how I know its rape growing there, he told me after helping to pick me up.
 
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15% is often mentioned like PH says. There is a research which looked at the seed yield and the distance to beehives. They found that bees do not fly very deep onto rape field. Bees tend to fly to nearest flowers about to distance 200 m.
 
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15% is often mentioned like PH says..

The figures are all out there to check. Syngenta themselves (who incidentally have a department , albeit a very small one, dedicated to honeybee and other pollinator welfare,) seem to be working on about 8%. (Its more down to better seed set in each pod and a shorter flowering period equalling more even pod ripeness and thus better harvest recovery than increased seed yied per se) Even 8% is significant.

Warning though to all you smallbeekeepers out there who want to be both territorial (have exclusivity) AND play the pollination card. Rape NEEDS a minimum of 1 hive per hectare and preferrably 2 hives per hectare to achieve the crop uplift.

If you do the 'pollination' thing you cannot bag a farm with 50 hectares, stick 6 hives on it, and grumble when the farmer gets other bees in too. Your bees are totally inadequate for the farmers needs, so you have to be prepared to share with other/others. As has happened in numerous places in these circumstances if you grumble too much you can be out on your ear and a beekeeper with adequate hives, or a number of them with nearer collectively to the total, can be in in your place. Farmers/growers/landowners are highly averse to beekeepers giving them grief.

Finman mentioned forage distance, and this also means, quite correctly, that, to ensure relatively even pollination on large blocks, you have to do multiple drops, not a single huge site.

We NEVER pay rent for doing OSR, and the concept of the farmer paying the beekeeper is currently gaining some momentum. Ditto above though, you cannot charge the farmer if your desire for exclusivity/isolation means he will not get the pollination he desires and he suffers crop loss.

In your favour though is the fact that there are nowhere near enough bees available from people prepared to migrate to cover all the OSR fields, and a lot of farmers would rather have the aforesaid 6 hives than none at all.

On the spraying issue, NONE of the current recommended sprays do any serious harm to bee colonies. The idea of chasing the farmer to buttonhole him goes back to the days of Hostathion and similar which were used, but have been gone for many years. Most farmers and contractors, even though the chemicals are relatively benign, will spray outwith the heat of the day, and even if they do, we have not seen any serious spray damage on OSR for many years. Bees right in the fields, spray drift right over the top, no issues. Spray death cases (not severe) at that time can be due to the smell the bees come back with during fungicide application, leading to non acceptance at the hive, and expulsion and death outside. The bees that DO get killed by insecticide these days do not make it home and thus spray kills from that cause, unless severe, are largely invisible. Another highly visible cause of death at rape time is actually herbicide application to areas, especially those with dandelions, nearby. Glyphosate (Roundup etc)seems harmless enough, but anything of the paraquat family is bee lethal, and slow enough for them to bring it back to the hive caising poisoning of hive bees too. Have seen very severe bee kill from that cause in dry weather when the bees actually went out and gathered the 'water' they found.
 
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"he has sown winter rape for this comming year on a field in front of his house. This means that they are les likely to be tampered with or stolen compared to his other fields which are out in the middle of no where"

i know all agricultural commodity prices have gone through the roof in recent years BUT do people seriously steal whole crops of OSR? (yes i know that occasional european vineyards get cleared overnight but a field of OSR?).
 
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One fact is that rape gives almost same yield per hectare without bees and with bees.
On my district honey bee hives are so few that they harvest hardly 10% of fields. However farmers gets almost the same yield per hectare.


Researches have been made often in cages and natural pollinators are closed from flowers. That is nonsence. At least we have huge numbers of natural pollinators. On another hand, the amount of flowers on area is mad compared to insects. Then the bloom collapses suddenly.

Pollination needs.......as long as farmers pay nothing, I do not count on their needs. And farmers do not pay nothing, because they get the same Europen Union farming support.

I try to optimize my honey yield. No mercy to farmers! But I really appreciate the farmer's greeting: "wellcome next summer again". All farmers do not give permission to put hives on their land.

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One fact is that rape gives almost same yield per hectare without bees and with bees.

No, as ITLD mentioned above, with insect pollination the pollination window is reduced and the seed heads are at a more consistent state of ripeness when harvested, so less lost to shatter or to being immature. The term is synchronicity and it applies to most (all?) seed or fruit crops that benefit from insect pollination.
 
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Now I found the Australian report on Canola Pollination
http://www.rirdc.gov.au/programs/established-rural-industries/pollination/canola.cfm

Effect of distance

Parameter Distance from apiary site metre

…............. average..I ….... 100m ….... 200m ….... 300m ….... 400m
Pods/m2 …........4818 I….... 5118 ….... 5235 ….... 4332 ….... 4588
Dry seed (g/m2) 204.5 I….... 228 ….... 219 ….... 180 …...... 191
Seed (t/ha)….... 2.04 I….... 2.28 ….... 2.19 ….... 1.8 …...... 1.91


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In this example nearest of hives the yield was 20% bigger than at the distance of 300-400 metres.
228t/190t. It is usual figure that is told in researches.

The report says that pollination effect is about 200 m. That I have seen in Finland too.

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here is another interesting report, 35 pages

The office of Gene Technology Regulator 2002

http://www.ogtr.gov.au/internet/ogtr/publishing.nsf/content/canola-3/$FILE/brassica.pdf

PREAMBLE
This document addresses the biology and ecology of the species Brassica napus L.Included is the origin of B. napus as a crop plant (referred to as ‘canola’), general descriptions of its growth and agronomy, its reproductive biology, toxicity and allergenicity and its general ecology. This document also addresses the potential for canola to outcross via pollen transfer and seed movement. Special emphasis
 
They have looked at coffee been production and found that at the edges adjacent the forest have significantly higher yields. But this was probably a whole range of pollinating insects, not only bees. IIRC the effect was typically gone at about 1/2km

But OSR is said to be about 90% self pollinating (what that might mean in real terms, I am not quite sure). If there were no insects far out into a large field, it would presumably be 100% self pollinated? But the yield would be down by that 10%. Must be an argument for small fields or narrow ones with lots of bees, which doesn't happen.
 
I think I read somewhere that with sufficient pollination the plants develop shorter inter-nodal joints which helps prevent possible wind damage.
 
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