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I was wondering if you all could help me (I decided to open a new Thread instead of taking an existing Thread further of topic, so this Posting / Thread directly stems from #43 https://beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=43496&page=5 ).
In the article "The health and status of the feral honeybee (Apis mellifera sp) and Apis mellifera mellifera population of the UK" by Catherine Eleanor Thompson, found here,
http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/5211/1/CorrectedThesis3.pdf
it says "Analysis of British honeybee mitochondrial DNA reveals ancient queen lines that are similar to one another, but quite unique to Britain (on page 17, second paragraph), it cites two sources, "Prichard 2008; Jensen et al. 2005", looking at the References I can narrow it down to the below articles;
Jensen, A.B., Palmer, K.A., Boomsma, J.J., et al., 2005. Varying degrees of Apis mellifera ligustica introgression in protected populations of the black honeybee, Apis mellifera mellifera, in northwest Europe. Molecular ecology, 14(1), pp.93–106.
- I already have this article you can find it here https://socialevolution.ku.dk/papers/2005/jensen2005_me.pdf and I cannot find anything to support Ms. Thompson's claim, maybe I've missed it???
Prichard, D., 2008. Is the British dark Bee really native to Britain? The Beekeepers Quaterly, 93, pp.33–39.
- so, I'm thinking this must be the source for the claim that there are ancient DNA in the presently existing UK Queens that are unique to Britain and by inference British as opposed to imported (beyond a bit of genetic drift, like what you and I would have), IF it is not the source then I have to conclude Ms. Thompson has 1. seriously mis-understood what she has read, 2. repeated what she has been told is in the sources or 3. just made it up for her agenda!
by the way is that the same Prichard that thought the Spanish Flu wiped out the British Black Bee in 1919?
Can anyone help me to locate Prichard's article without having to pay for a copy of Beekeepers Quarterly? And double check Jensen's article to make sure I haven't missed it? Thanks.
The science behind this article seems sound enough, but the narrative / conclusions are appearing very weak: I think a common mistake is being made (the same as Beo. Cooper made) in that A.m.m. is being observed in Britain, and the assumption is then being made that these A.m.m. are descendants of the A.m.m.'s living in Britain 1000 years ago, as opposed to descendants of the replacements brought in from the continent after the Isle Of Wight Disease (which recent DNA analysis would confirm, by showing that the A.m.m.'s in Britain and especially here in Ireland are mainly of Dutch and also French descent).
In the article "The health and status of the feral honeybee (Apis mellifera sp) and Apis mellifera mellifera population of the UK" by Catherine Eleanor Thompson, found here,
http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/5211/1/CorrectedThesis3.pdf
it says "Analysis of British honeybee mitochondrial DNA reveals ancient queen lines that are similar to one another, but quite unique to Britain (on page 17, second paragraph), it cites two sources, "Prichard 2008; Jensen et al. 2005", looking at the References I can narrow it down to the below articles;
Jensen, A.B., Palmer, K.A., Boomsma, J.J., et al., 2005. Varying degrees of Apis mellifera ligustica introgression in protected populations of the black honeybee, Apis mellifera mellifera, in northwest Europe. Molecular ecology, 14(1), pp.93–106.
- I already have this article you can find it here https://socialevolution.ku.dk/papers/2005/jensen2005_me.pdf and I cannot find anything to support Ms. Thompson's claim, maybe I've missed it???
Prichard, D., 2008. Is the British dark Bee really native to Britain? The Beekeepers Quaterly, 93, pp.33–39.
- so, I'm thinking this must be the source for the claim that there are ancient DNA in the presently existing UK Queens that are unique to Britain and by inference British as opposed to imported (beyond a bit of genetic drift, like what you and I would have), IF it is not the source then I have to conclude Ms. Thompson has 1. seriously mis-understood what she has read, 2. repeated what she has been told is in the sources or 3. just made it up for her agenda!
by the way is that the same Prichard that thought the Spanish Flu wiped out the British Black Bee in 1919?
Can anyone help me to locate Prichard's article without having to pay for a copy of Beekeepers Quarterly? And double check Jensen's article to make sure I haven't missed it? Thanks.
The science behind this article seems sound enough, but the narrative / conclusions are appearing very weak: I think a common mistake is being made (the same as Beo. Cooper made) in that A.m.m. is being observed in Britain, and the assumption is then being made that these A.m.m. are descendants of the A.m.m.'s living in Britain 1000 years ago, as opposed to descendants of the replacements brought in from the continent after the Isle Of Wight Disease (which recent DNA analysis would confirm, by showing that the A.m.m.'s in Britain and especially here in Ireland are mainly of Dutch and also French descent).
