Big grubs in brace comb.
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Ah! I think he was talking about putting the SUPER on the bottom if you are using brood and a half. Brood and a half is where you use one national brood box (bb) and one national super for egg laying with a Queen excluder (QE)on the top of those midland b was just wondering if the super went on top of the bb or underneath! The only time you may want a QE on the bottom is to stop the queen leaving with a swarm just after you have put them in a new hive.
Hope that clears it all up for you
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Hope that clears it all up for you
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If only....
The beginner gets confused or is confused or gets more confused by calling a shallow brood a super. It would be sooo much clearer to refer to supers only when in the position as a honey box. Because that is what a super is - a honey box. All this chat about 'supers under' and 'supers over' only muddies the waters.
I'm afraid so many people are lax in their terminology that beginners are actually 'taught' the wrong terms by these lax individuals (who are supposed to be explaining things, not imparting wrong information to the newbies).
The order of a National hive parts would normally be (from bottom up): floor, deep brood, shallow brood, Q/E, super(s) (which are usually shallows but can be deeps), crownboard, roof. Of course, the WBC hive will have the roof on outer lifts and National 14 x12s use an extra deep brood instead of a deep.
Boxes contain frrames (which are commonly denoted as DN or SN, meaning for Deep or Shallow National). All very simple when you start with the frames as the basic fundamental part.
As an aside, many refer to a 'standard National' when acually the 'standard' refers to the British Standard specification of the day - just like the many other Brish Standards which were around in their hundreds in those days. Probably all gone now and replaced with DIN, ISO or CE standard specifications for all new ones. In the longer term the beginner is better served with learning the truth, not this lax terminology, IMO.
The beginner gets confused or is confused or gets more confused by calling a shallow brood a super. It would be sooo much clearer to refer to supers only when in the position as a honey box. Because that is what a super is - a honey box. All this chat about 'supers under' and 'supers over' only muddies the waters.
I'm afraid so many people are lax in their terminology that beginners are actually 'taught' the wrong terms by these lax individuals (who are supposed to be explaining things, not imparting wrong information to the newbies).
The order of a National hive parts would normally be (from bottom up): floor, deep brood, shallow brood, Q/E, super(s) (which are usually shallows but can be deeps), crownboard, roof. Of course, the WBC hive will have the roof on outer lifts and National 14 x12s use an extra deep brood instead of a deep.
Boxes contain frrames (which are commonly denoted as DN or SN, meaning for Deep or Shallow National). All very simple when you start with the frames as the basic fundamental part.
As an aside, many refer to a 'standard National' when acually the 'standard' refers to the British Standard specification of the day - just like the many other Brish Standards which were around in their hundreds in those days. Probably all gone now and replaced with DIN, ISO or CE standard specifications for all new ones. In the longer term the beginner is better served with learning the truth, not this lax terminology, IMO.
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British Standard 1300: 1960 national beehive does actually confirm what rab said
