Best time of day to put swarm in hive ?

[bee bee king]

Hi there caught a swarm yesterday from an allotment but didnt have the hive put together so bees overnighted in box with q ueen excluder overit (still in situ). Hive now built but do how and when do I introduce bees to hive. Last time I did same day by tipping bees out onto board leading up to hive in the evening when they were a bit calmer. Now I find this warm weather has got them very active inand out box.
Advice please.

 

[meetballuk]

plenty of sugar water. remove a few frames. chuck them in. frames stright back in then leave a bit for crown board. they will fan entrance.
i never do board method risks queen flying off, its just for the voyeurs among us
weather wont mater just take longer to settle.

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

para 3 of http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/swarmhiving.html

 

[madasafish]

I have always hived swarms after 5pm and just tip them in. Often the weather is too poor or the ground too wet to walk them in..But then I am only in my fifth season so still have a lot to learn.

I also close the OMF by putting in the bottom board: the one time i did not (I forgot : the hazards of senility), they got all uppity and it took me 2 days to get them to stay in the hive rather than under it etc...

One swarm (which turned out to have lost its queen) still absconded into a nearby nuc and killed the queen...And then tried to kill me as well by following etc.. I requeened asap with total success..

 

[bee bee king]

thank you for your reply. I have not fed my other bees anything so donty know what i should do. The feeder goes inside the hive on the board. what ratio water to ordinary sugar ?

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

There is a whole other thread on that running right now.

 

[bee bee king]

Thank you all who posted to me Its nice to know we can call on some sort of support and advice as its only my second month. I will opt for dump in the hive in the evening and put quenn excluder on top of brood box and crown board on that then roof. By the way I have still got queen excluder above brood box on other hive after 5weeks is this okay ?
Cheers

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

Above or below?

 

[bee bee king]

above.............. ive never put one below the brood box. Should i do that to the new swarm hive to keep queen in ?

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

Perhaps for a day or so' until she has brood, not as a strategy. So why do you have one under the crownboard? Are you worried about holes? Assuming an OMF, cover the holes. And I thoroughly recommend a clear crown board.

 

[bee bee king]

I think ive confused the situation. old hive has from bottom to top;
base
brrod box
queen excluder
super
board
lid

Just to clarify you think i should put excluder under brood box in new hive to keep her in for a few days.

 

[meetballuk]

unless its a massive swarm you shouldnt need a super yet?

 

[bee bee king]

unless its a massive swarm you shouldnt need a super yet?

Err yeah I put that in by accident...well on the advice of someone who I thought knew what to do. However its been in there for a while now so I've just left it as the bees did swarm 3 times from this hive in the first few days and didnt want to disturb them.
So apart frtom me getting the super in to early is that the right stacking .

 

[meetballuk]

stacking is right
so is super on old or new swarm?

 

[bee bee king]

stacking is right
so is super on old or new swarm?

Super is on old swarm.

 

[meetballuk]

if their filling it, why not.
never had a swarm bigger than a brood box personally

 

[jd101k2000]

Only huge swarm I had like that was one of my own. Dumped them in a 14x12 box... within 3 days decided to put on a super as they had drawn all the foundation and were stuffed in.... in another 3 days all the foundation was drawn in the super and put another super on.

Tiger hive!

Good luck.

 

[chutalot]

above.............. ive never put one below the brood box. Should i do that to the new swarm hive to keep queen in ?

The danger of doing this is if the swarm has a virgin queen - she needs to be able to fly to get mated.

Don't need a Queen excluder until you put supers on.

 

[chutalot]

Err yeah I put that in by accident...well on the advice of someone who I thought knew what to do. However its been in there for a while now so I've just left it as the bees did swarm 3 times from this hive in the first few days and didnt want to disturb them.
So apart frtom me getting the super in to early is that the right stacking .

Bit puzzelled by this. Unless they don't like their new home bees should only swarm if they have capped queen cells - this can't happen in the first few days. Dis you catch the swarm?

 

[bee bee king]

Bit puzzelled by this. Unless they don't like their new home bees should only swarm if they have capped queen cells - this can't happen in the first few days. Dis you catch the swarm?

Yes I caught the swarm tuesday afternoon at the allotment about 10 mins walk from here. I got them into cardboard box and put quenn exluder on till all the bees went into cboard box. I then walked it home in the eve and put them in position where new hive will be and left quenn excluder on, this stayed like this for 14 hours while i built hive and now swarm are in hive with queen excluder below brood box.