Father Fox
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Is there an Artificial swarm method using just a single hive?
Artificial swarm method with just a single hive.
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Yes. Look up Dartington Long Deep Hive or Snelgrove board. Both can be used for A/S as a single hive.
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Or there is the classic Demaree method... Just need an extra brood chamber and Queen Excluder
MuswellMetro
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And extra brood box with a split board will work better than a demaree as often in a demaree you will not stop the swarm mode and she leaves
The demaree is more a preemptive method
Old queen in new box of foundation on old site QE super split board with entrance left old box with queen cell above , after 7 days entrance right , once laying recombine using new queen and kill old queen
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The demaree is more a preemptive method
Old queen in new box of foundation on old site QE super split board with entrance left old box with queen cell above , after 7 days entrance right , once laying recombine using new queen and kill old queen
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is this single hive with additional brood box, or single hive no addtional boxes?
MuswellMetro
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hmmmm, yes of course never enough info, is there
How about :
simple method would be to remove all but one open and charged queen cell and kill the old queen at same time, inspection at 7 days to cull emergency Queen cells
80% chance of making a good new queen, 20% chance of ending up Queenlessor drone layer Queen but you could buy a replacement queen
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To kill laying queen in May!
I would say that the beekeeper is then simple.
It is sure that you kill Queen cells and Queens, no swarm can escape.
There is a difference which Works and what is simple.
The Most simple system is that do nothing and let them go. Even catching a swarm from apple tree may be too complex. You need extra hive. If you have that, then it is simple To make classical AS. So you save the whole years work.
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Surely experienced beekeepers would use simple method if such exists.
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Surely experienced beekeepers would use simple method if such exists.
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Boys! (MM and FM) Read the thread remit. Artificial swarm and single hive. Nothing more and nothing less.
Personally, I was only going to say simply 'no' but quoted the Dartington realising the very limited understanding of the OP. I then thought that if I actually gave the Dartington as an example (omlette claim the beetainer is such), I should also include the opportunity of using a device such as a Snelgrove board (knowing full well that would likely totally mess up the OP, the method being somewhat perplexing to a beginner with no knowledge at all - so a bit naughty of me).
But in reality there is no method of doing an artificial swarm in one hive unless overall it is taken to logical completion, something I doubt the OP would even have dreamed of, let alone considered.
Originally the 'artificial swarm' was not conceived for colony increase, of course. There are far better ways of achieving that. Think about it - the only time we find two queens in a single hive is during supercedure (apart from, of course, the very specialised queen rearing set-ups of the very few or the exotic double queen hives, both of which are likely unheard of by this poster. The question re those arises: When is a double colony single hive really two separate hives just joined together?
Hope that clears it up, but unfortunately it will further muddy the waters for some - of that I am certain.
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Personally, I was only going to say simply 'no' but quoted the Dartington realising the very limited understanding of the OP. I then thought that if I actually gave the Dartington as an example (omlette claim the beetainer is such), I should also include the opportunity of using a device such as a Snelgrove board (knowing full well that would likely totally mess up the OP, the method being somewhat perplexing to a beginner with no knowledge at all - so a bit naughty of me).
But in reality there is no method of doing an artificial swarm in one hive unless overall it is taken to logical completion, something I doubt the OP would even have dreamed of, let alone considered.
Originally the 'artificial swarm' was not conceived for colony increase, of course. There are far better ways of achieving that. Think about it - the only time we find two queens in a single hive is during supercedure (apart from, of course, the very specialised queen rearing set-ups of the very few or the exotic double queen hives, both of which are likely unheard of by this poster. The question re those arises: When is a double colony single hive really two separate hives just joined together?
Hope that clears it up, but unfortunately it will further muddy the waters for some - of that I am certain.
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What is single hive? Bees only in One box or beekeeper owns One hive?
Yes...i have just a hive which has 3 frames of bees and there was One Queen cell with egg. What do I do now.
What is single hive? Bees only in One box or beekeeper owns One hive?
Yes...i have just a hive which has 3 frames of bees and there was One Queen cell with egg. What do I do now.
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Split it and put a super on - either that or give up beekeeping and get a job as a redcoat with Butlins
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Split it and put a super on - either that or give up beekeeping and get a job as a redcoat with Butlins
First I thought do so I decided To give 2 frames OF emerging brood.
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I ended up doing a vertical AS today by making my own snelgrove board (by adapting an old crown board) and getting a new Brood Box with undrawn frames. And plenty of advice from this forum on other threads ... A fantastic resource for novices! Thank you all!
