Winter on brood and half

[Poly Hive]

WEll well a new one.

Surely an eke under the brood box is an eke under the BB not a chemo expression or am I seeing the complication of what is unfortunately an already over complex situation?

PN KISS

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

WEll well a new one.

Surely an eke under the brood box is an eke under the BB not a chemo expression or am I seeing the complication of what is unfortunately an already over complex situation?

PN KISS

Nothing to do with ekes - when you put a shallow box on top of the brood box, it's a super - when you put it underneath - it's a nadir - simple

 

[Fatbee]

Growing ever popular on this forum - although comes with risks because people often leave it too late in season and bees do not have time to move it up. A buddy of mine bruised his super of stores in late Sept thinking they would move it - instead it fermented and killed them.

I prefer to keep a super of stores on top - where bees prefer them to be!

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

I first heard the term from Pam Gregory when discussing Warres about five years ago

 

[Erichalfbee]

I have 14x12s and they have enough room without a super of stores. The only time I do it is if there is uncapped honey to give back to the bees. It saves me spinning it off. I've tried putting the super on top with a feeder board in between but it never works.
This winter I have three like this.

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

I have 14x12s and they have enough room without a super of stores. The only time I do it is if there is uncapped honey to give back to the bees. It saves me spinning it off. I've tried putting the super on top with a feeder board in between but it never works.
This winter I have three like this.

I agree.

In the autumn, I prefer my bees to transfer and process the uncapped honey, rather than just relying on foraging and sugar solution. It's like having a top-up reserve to ensure the 14 X 12 is well stocked.

I couldn't stand all the angst of a standard brood box and extra super (or nadir) to last the winter.

Dusty

 

[Poly Hive]

So on a brood and a half a super is not a super if the half is under? Nonsense.

There is more than enough terminology with out introducing more.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nadir

PH

 

[Erichalfbee]

Nonsense.

There is more than enough terminology with out introducing more.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nadir

PH

It differentiates between a shallow put under a brood box in the autumn for the bees to move the honey....a nadir, between a shallow put under a brood box as part of the brood box for those folk running brood and a half with a shallow under rather than on top.....is that clear? It's use as a term is not mandatory though
It also prompts a discussion when somebody asks what a nadir is. Nobody else has found the chemotherapy connection before though

 

[Fatbee]

Oh I love definitional stuff! I would argue that the term is a nadired shallow whether it's for movement of stores or brooding for brood and half. It just a shallow under the brood...

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

So on a brood and a half a super is not a super if the half is under? Nonsense.

There is more than enough terminology with out introducing more.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nadir

PH

So why is a super called a 'super' - and what size is it?
Just picking holes to try and fuel an argument IMHO

 

[Swarm]

Oh I love definitional stuff! I would argue that the term is a nadired shallow whether it's for movement of stores or brooding for brood and half. It just a shallow under the brood...

What's a brood? Would that be a shallow, a deep or a jumbo?
Brood and a half configured with the shallow box at the bottom is absolutely nothing like placing a box of part filled shallow comb below the brood chamber. The latter is done after extraction, knowing that the bees will move it to where they want it, as Dusty says, a bit of extra feed. It's convenient.

Definitional stuff only becomes an issue when people try to pick holes or the pedants try to score points. I don't give a monkeys myself if someone wants to put 'a super under the brood' or a shallow under something else, life's too short

 

[Poly Hive]

It becomes an issue when comprehension is lost.

KISS

PH

 

[Swarm]

Yes I know, but if you call a box a brood or a super, sure as eggs you will be lectured. We all know ( or can get the gist of ) what is meant but that's what happens here.

 

[Fatbee]

I'm not lecturing just stating an opinion - big difference. If your life is too short then why bother commenting on a post you're not interested in.

I wasn't saying the two were the same just that to me nadir means below

 

[Swarm]

I didn't mention any names either but it's the terminology I'm not bothered about, not pedantic posts.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

From Wikipedia (first hit in a search)

The nadir (/ˈneɪdɪər/) (from Arabic: نظير‎ / ALA-LC: naẓīr, meaning "opposite") is the direction pointing directly below a particular location; that is, it is one of two vertical directions at a specified location, orthogonal to a horizontal flat surface there. Since the concept of being below is itself somewhat vague, scientists define the nadir in more rigorous terms. Specifically, in astronomy, geophysics and related sciences (e.g., meteorology), the nadir at a given point is the local vertical direction pointing in the direction of the force of gravity at that location. The direction opposite of the nadir is the zenith.

from Merriman Webster dictionary

1
: the point of the celestial sphere that is directly opposite the zenith and vertically downward from the observer
2
: the lowest point

From medicine.net

Nadir: The lowest point. The nadir may refer, for example, to the lowest blood count after chemotherapy or the lowest concentration of a drug in the body

 

[snelgrove]

From Wikipedia (first hit in a search)



from Merriman Webster dictionary


From medicine.net

it's just putting a super below a brood chamber, carnt see the need to called it anything, it. must be a recent thing, because I no in the eighties and nineties, I never herd of it.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

i must be a recent thing, because I no in the eighties and nineties, I never herd of it.

You probably never heard of varroa then either - but it's here to stay now

 

[snelgrove]

You probably never heard of varroa then either - but it's here to stay now

oh I no of varroa jacobsoni, I had to learn of destructor, beekeeping has changed in the last 20 years more than most realise

 

[Hivemaker.]

Nadir (fashionable word?)

http://www.beekeepingforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=31413