Probably stpid AS questions

[Mrs Soup]

We did an AS last Monday, so far everything seems to be progressing well.

We checked yesterday and HM is laying in the 'swarm hive' and the flying bees appear to have returned. The original hive has several capped and uncapped QC, so we moved it to the other side, rotated the entrance again and fed it as per the instructions from the recent lecture.

Here's the thing - All the instructions deal with reuniting the hives when the new queen is mated, and we want to increase. When should we turn the hive round to face front?

 

[mbc]

If youre after increase then you can go further and split the original hive ( making sure there's good q cells in each split ) and then you wouldnt have to worry about which way the entrance is pointing or moving the hive again.

 

[MuswellMetro]

The 7 day move or turn whatever your AS prescribes is to deplete the Q- brood of flyers that have left the hive in the previous 7 days so you do not have enough flyer in the to issue a caste or swarm from the Q- hive if two Queens emerge

With few flyer the bees actually may pull down the extra Queen cells

dont understand why your AS requires both a move and a turn

a demaree stack on split board requires a turn 90degree then 180 but a standard AS is normally just a move

you could turn it back before the new queen emerges or after she is mated but not while she is mating

so it is either today before she emerges on Day 15 or when you see eggs

 

[Midland Beek]

Well, if you want increse you might get yourself two colonies where you only had one. However, if you want additional increase you could split the queenless part more times, giving each part the chance to get itself queenright, ie. at least one good queen cell.

What the books sometimes do not fully expalin with AS is that the queenless part of the split is inclined to swarm as soon as the first virgin emerges. And, depending on its strength, additional swarms might leave all headed by a newly emerged virgin queen. This is the reasoning behind the destruction of all queen cells except one.

 

[Finman]

Here's the thing - All the instructions deal with reuniting the hives when the new queen is mated, and we want to increase. When should we turn the hive round to face front?

Basic reason is that the "new" hive got all older bees and the brood hive has all brood which will turn new to bees during 3 weeks. It takes 6 weeks that the egg will became a forager bee.
When you have a swarm and the queen starts to lay, it takes 4 weeks that your hive beging to enlarge. Before that half ob bees will be dead before new emerges.


The hives will be badly out of balance nursers / foragers.

The new give will have lack of nursers later and the brood hive have no bees in foragers are nex 3 weeks.

That system ruins the ability to get honey yield if you do not join hive parts.

The right system id that you get a normal honey yeild and you make a nuc or two from a good hive.

To split the hive harshly is the worst beekeeping.


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[Finman]

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If you have a normal swarm and another hive one box full of brood, you get a good hive when you join brood and a swarm. JOin it after one week when the swarm has drawn foundations.

 

[Mrs Soup]

The 7 day move or turn whatever your AS prescribes is to deplete the Q- brood of flyers that have left the hive in the previous 7 days so you do not have enough flyer in the to issue a caste or swarm from the Q- hive if two Queens emerge

With few flyer the bees actually may pull down the extra Queen cells

dont understand why your AS requires both a move and a turn

a demaree stack on split board requires a turn 90degree then 180 but a standard AS is normally just a move

you could turn it back before the new queen emerges or after she is mated but not while she is mating

so it is either today before she emerges on Day 15 or when you see eggs

Thanks for this - we guessed that perhaps it should be before the queen emerges.

Our lecturer suggested a double move and turn to ensure we got all the flying bees out of the brood, and yes they have torn down QC.