Not sure what happened

[SDM]

Obviously you haven't read page 29
/chortles/
/wrinkles nose/

Why would he read it ? The pompous tit thinks they amend it every time he takes a deep breath.

 

[eltalia]

So eltalia can I just confirm that you believe a brood break by giving all the flyers to the new queen
who is still a queen cell is the correct way to go?

I am not seeing how giving the foragers to the new colony can be construed
as a "brood break" when (effectively) a broodbreak is installed the second
you lift those frames into another box, regardless of QCs present or not.
Perhaps you are looking at something else?

In the UK maybe we have a smaller window of nectar flow than you and to force a
brood break in this way would seem to be unwise.

See my comment above.
This factor you bring up now is at the heart of any such manipulation.
Yes, it is foolhardy indeed to ask bees to expand/reproduce in poor conditions,
and every beekeeper wherever owns the responsibility to know
their local conditions and conduct the husbandry within those boundries.
This remains true anywhere on the Planet.

Please be aware that beekeeping habits in each Country will be different because of
forage and climate.

Again, the b'keeps responsibility to work within local conditions.
Now, "habits" are a learnt thing, and often installed (taken up) from factors
not b'keeping related.

It is therefore better to debate a subject rather than to state what it is right and true
in your own eyes.

The conclusion you come to does not allow for those facets of beekeeping
that are indeed binary ("black-n-white"). However specifically for the topic of
Splits being discussed here there is of course much debate, a fact I addressed in
my post.
My anchor point is on efficiency, what is best for bees, and as put in my post not
always a priority of all running beehives. For beekeepers, or more accurately -
apiarists - efficiency is indeed the prime factor, one which my post is built around.
Others do not need mine or your permission to do something else.

This is not intended to be rude or offensive, just educational!
E

Not at all arrogant but plain simple truth in I fail to see any educational value in
your post. If you'd care to expand on that intention in respect of my
mini-tutorial I'd happily entertain the illumination.
However caution is required lest some interpret much of your post as topic hijack?


Bill

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

arrogant but plain simple truth in I fail to see any educational value in
your post.

The feeling is mutual - I can assure you

 

[enrico]

Etalia
I am trying to understand your methods, not criticise them.
Am I right in thinking you leave the queen cells on the old site and move the Queen away?
You then prevent her swarming which i understand.
My query is that if you let the queen on the old site she would start laying immediately and she would have all the fliers to continue honey production so any brood break ( yes I know there is one anyway) would be minimal. By leaving queen cells in that hive and moving the Queen away you have to wait for the queen to emerge, be mated, start laying so therefore the brood break is substantially longer.
When I said I wasn't being offensive and that my post was educational, I meant that I was hoping to learn something from you but .......
The way you write your posts are, in fairness, difficult to understand. They may be obvious and amusing to you but they are confusing to me. Please try and remember that whilst you 'may' be educated and like writing your comments and answers in the manner you do that all many of the posters on this site want is a quick and easy answer to solve their problems.
I know you will reply. I will refrain from doing so again as I don't think I will ever understand you!
Thanks for trying!
E

 

[Welshboyarchrr]

Etalia
I am trying to understand your methods, not criticise them.
Am I right in thinking you leave the queen cells on the old site and move the Queen away?
You then prevent her swarming which i understand.
My query is that if you let the queen on the old site she would start laying immediately and she would have all the fliers to continue honey production so any brood break ( yes I know there is one anyway) would be minimal. By leaving queen cells in that hive and moving the Queen away you have to wait for the queen to emerge, be mated, start laying so therefore the brood break is substantially longer.
When I said I wasn't being offensive and that my post was educational, I meant that I was hoping to learn something from you but .......
The way you write your posts are, in fairness, difficult to understand. They may be obvious and amusing to you but they are confusing to me. Please try and remember that whilst you 'may' be educated and like writing your comments and answers in the manner you do that all many of the posters on this site want is a quick and easy answer to solve their problems.
I know you will reply. I will refrain from doing so again as I don't think I will ever understand you!
Thanks for trying!
E

I think that is the politest "I'm going to ignore you" I've ever read.

 

[eltalia]

Etalia
I am trying to understand your methods, not criticise them.
Am I right in thinking you leave the queen cells on the old site and move the
Queen away?

Yes.

(edit)
My query is that if you let the queen on the old site she would start laying
immediately and she would have all the fliers to continue honey production
so any brood break ( yes I know there is one anyway) would be minimal.
By leaving queen cells in that hive and moving the Queen away you have to
wait for the queen to emerge, be mated, start laying so therefore the brood
break is substantially longer.

You are missing a fundamental condition in the scenario put by the
0P, the creation of colonys - there is no "honey production" to interrupt.

**For the queenright colony the caste will be reorganised on the first day,
remaining foragers along with new foragers will reorientate and begin
that work. There is then no broodbreak as we understand such.
**For the queenless new colony there technically is no "brood break" as
there is no history before it's creation to be talking broodbreaks. Those
foragers returning will fill the supply of food in moving establishment
forward.

Tip?
Focusing on "honey production" - whilst understandable for some new
players as motivation - is folly in setting startups. Seeking "quick and
easy" answers in expectation of a honey crop from the startup - without
a through understanding of the biology - is never going to end well in
usually creating a "beekeeping by numbers and coloured blocks"
approach, the very fodder some seeking massive post counts feed on.

Ye olde "give a man a rod" adage applies here... study the biology, your
questions will answer themselves.

Help?

Bill

 

[Millet]

Yes.



You are missing a fundamental condition in the scenario put by the
0P, the creation of colonys - there is no "honey production" to interrupt.

**For the queenright colony the caste will be reorganised on the first day,
remaining foragers along with new foragers will reorientate and begin
that work. There is then no broodbreak as we understand such.
**For the queenless new colony there technically is no "brood break" as
there is no history before it's creation to be talking broodbreaks. Those
foragers returning will fill the supply of food in moving establishment
forward.

Tip?
Focusing on "honey production" - whilst understandable for some new
players as motivation - is folly in setting startups. Seeking "quick and
easy" answers in expectation of a honey crop from the startup - without
a through understanding of the biology - is never going to end well in
usually creating a "beekeeping by numbers and coloured blocks"
approach, the very fodder some seeking massive post counts feed on.

Ye olde "give a man a rod" adage applies here... study the biology, your
questions will answer themselves.

Help?

Bill

I feel you.