Artificial swarm - couldn't find queen

[JWF]

Last week i carried out a Pagden AS, but because i couldn't find the queen she ended up in the original BB at the new location, where she's laying at a great rate.

Yesterday i found her and marked her. I also observed a significant number of queen cups, some with eggs and jelly.

The flying bees have created a couple of QCs from a frame of eggs/brood that was put in with them.


My question is, is it possible or advisable to move her to the original location, where the flying bees are currently queenless, and thus minimise the chance of her swarming? Obviously i'd need to remove any QCs in that location. Can she just be added in a butler cage?

Or is a demaree on the new location an effective way of stopping them swarming at this stage?

Thanks

 

[Eyeman]

Hi
Your following Wally Shaw's Snellgrove 2 method. Just google it for detailed instructions.
No need to put the queen in a cage when reintroducing her to original site, just remove the QC's.
The presence of QC's in the new location hive suggests it still has a lot of the original foragers: how far did you move it? or they are very intent on swarming.

 

[REDWOOD]

Has anyone done this swarm prevention before it was called a Wally Snellgrove 2 as I can remember doing this years ago when I wasn't very good at finding queens


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[JWF]

Hi
Your following Wally Shaw's Snellgrove 2 method. Just google it for detailed instructions.
No need to put the queen in a cage when reintroducing her to original site, just remove the QC's.
The presence of QC's in the new location hive suggests it still has a lot of the original foragers: how far did you move it? or they are very intent on swarming.

The parent hive was moved about ten feet away, with the entrance facing in a different direction. Im sure the foragers ended up in the new hive as for the first hour or so there was very little activity outside the parent hive, and clear signs of orientation flights from the flyers.

I think there is just so much brood in the parent hive that it hasnt taken long for them to think about swarming again - the queen is very prolific (at least compared to my others).

Ive taken a look at this document which i think is what i followed most of! Looks like if i can get back in over the next couple of days i can remove the QCs and pop the queen directly back in.

Thanks!

http://www.wbka.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Swarm-Control-Wally-Shaw.pdf

 

[bjosephd]

As others have said, it sounds more or less that you're half way through a Snelgrove II

Scroll down to page 17 and catch up where you left off…!

http://www.wbka.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Swarm-Control-Wally-Shaw.pdf

Good luck!

BJD