Honey selling

[ericbeaumont]

What about complete frame Neil? How much should I charge.

Do a google for comparative prices, Mark. Here's a few + postage:
£50: https://shop.beesforbusiness.com/products/bees-co-honey-lovers-raw-honeycomb-frame
£55: https://www.gwenyngruffydd.co.uk/store/p18/honeycomb.html#
£60: https://localhoneyman.co.uk/product/whole-frame-of-honeycomb/
£79: https://thelondonhoneycompany.co.uk/products/pure-honey-whole-british-honeycomb-frame

Packaging for posting is critical: we use Manley frames as the straight side bars protect the complete comb. Set the hive (spirit) level so that combs are drawn vertically. When hotels open up again, try selling direct; they set the comb up in the breakfast room. At market, it may sell better in November & December in the lead up to Christmas.

 

[Curly green finger's]

Do a google for comparative prices, Mark. Here's a few + postage:

£50: https://shop.beesforbusiness.com/products/bees-co-honey-lovers-raw-honeycomb-frame

£55: https://www.gwenyngruffydd.co.uk/store/p18/honeycomb.html#

£60: https://localhoneyman.co.uk/product/whole-frame-of-honeycomb/

£79: https://thelondonhoneycompany.co.uk/products/pure-honey-whole-british-honeycomb-frame



Packaging for posting is critical: we use Manley frames as the straight side bars protect the complete comb. Set the hive (spirit) level so that combs are drawn vertically. When hotels open up again, try selling direct; they set the comb up in the breakfast room. At market, it may sell better in November & December in the lead up to Christmas.

I did use the thick manley frames last year Eric with plastic spacers..
I've only been asked by posh local friends..
But one of my outlets who are a holiday rental on an estate who will be doing B+B are very keen to see some of my other products other than jars of honey.

Thanks for the links I'll be doing some home work later.

Interesting to see that the carmarthenshire frame was a Hoffman frame.
It looks better with the manley frames especially the thick frames.

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[jenkinsbrynmair]

I did use the thick manley frames last year Eric with plastic spacers..

Manleys are self spacing - they don't need any spacers

 

[Curly green finger's]

Manleys are self spacing - they don't need any spacers

So what frames did I use then I thought manleys were all flat side bars?
I bought them as manley frames

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[jenkinsbrynmair]

So what frames did I use then I thought manleys were all flat side bars?
I bought them as manley frames

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Manleys are all flat side bars - you can fit ten into a super, if you can fit more than ten, or need to use spacers they were probably SN1's
I find Manleys a real faff and you often get weird and wonderful comb construction

 

[Curly green finger's]

Manleys are all flat side bars - you can fit ten into a super, if you can fit more than ten, or need to use spacers they were probably SN1's

I find Manleys a real faff and you often get weird and wonderful comb construction

What frames should I be using to sell whole frames of honey?
Eric said to use manleys?
I thinks this is a case for the beekeeping court??
Difference of opinions perfect!

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[ericbeaumont]

I did use the thick manley frames last year Eric with plastic spacers.

Was that Manley's in the hive or in the post?

In the hive: as JBM said, no need for spacers; in fact spacing Manleys further, and using starter strips, will def lead to cross-comb.
In the post: I'll try plastic ends on a Manley later, but I've got to be at work at 11; we're aiming to finish the first round of spring extraction and clear the chaos in the yard.

 

[Repwoc]

Whatever his reasons, how much do you reckon a shopping centre security guard earns?

Maybe he's taking a cut and is making some beer money!

 

[Hedgerow Honey]

I sell a lot of whole frames. I use SN1 with plastic Hoffman converters, but don't nail them on. I've found when using plastic spacers the bees try and propolis them to the frame, this doesn't leave them as clean looking as using converters.
Get them drawn on rape, then spun & put back on, anything not perfect gets cut up for chunk.

 

[Curly green finger's]

I sell a lot of whole frames. I use SN1 with plastic Hoffman converters, but don't nail them on. I've found when using plastic spacers the bees try and propolis them to the frame, this doesn't leave them as clean looking as using converters.
Get them drawn on rape, then spun & put back on, anything not perfect gets cut up for chunk.

Not much rape with me up here, although the lower apiary did produce 70/80 lb of the stuff..
Thanks for the advice.
Hows the season going with the new apairys?
Or am I getting you mixed up with some one else??

 

[ericbeaumont]

I use SN1 with plastic Hoffman converters, but don't nail them on. I've found when using plastic spacers the bees try and propolis them to the frame, this doesn't leave them as clean looking as using converters.

Do you post SN1s, HJ? I'm always worried that the packaging will break the cappings, which is where Manleys give that extra support, as the top and bottom bars are the the same width, ditto side bars. honeyframepackaging.co.uk sell a box that has a stand for display and consumption, but it is £6.45+3.50 postage (bulk prices come down) and there must be other methods.

 

[Ian123]

As above I’ve used thesehttps://www.honeyframepackaging.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=264591

I’d suggest staying away from manleys any additional security they offer can be made up for by the addition of a couple of spare bottom bars pinned or MitreMate to the bottom of purchased display frame to stop any slapping about. If that is even required!

Obviously these boxes themselves are expensive as are the frames of honey, visually in the box I don’t think thicker frames make any odds. But working on the fact you can get 1 and even 2 additional frame’s using thinner spacing, you can keep the price down or the ability to sell 10-20% more.

I’ve seen these frames go from £40-£100 when I looked/googled. £40 is obviously very cheap there’s some novelty and wow factor to add in. I think £60 is about the mark but you’d have to judge supply/demand or if you’re selling to an outlet.

 

[thorn]

Personally I would never sell someone else's honey under my label.
I would design another one saying from local suppliers!
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I agree. If I'm putting my name to it then it has to be mine. It's a matter of pride.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Nothing wrong with buying in honey and bottling it for resale, as long as you don't sell it off as your own. But once you do that, you are now a food packer and no longer a 'primary producer' with all the concessions you get from TS and EH. You will have to have a dedicated processing facility and have a HACCP in place as well as the EHO possibly requiring a level 3 food hygiene ticket. loads more hoops to jump through and loads of procedures you have to go through on a daily basis.

 

[Erichalfbee]

Nothing wrong with buying in honey and bottling it for resale, as long as you don't sell it off as your own. But once you do that, you are now a food packer and no longer a 'primary producer' with all the concessions you get from TS and EH. You will have to have a dedicated processing facility and have a HACCP in place as well as the EHO possibly requiring a level 3 food hygiene ticket. Koads more hoops to jump through and loads of procedures you have to go through on a daily basis.

Lots of folk must lie, then.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Lots of folk must lie, then.

yep

 

[Wilco]

Resurrecting this thread...

For those of you selling frames to hotels etc. who have it for guests to help themselves to, does anyone know where I might find a frame holder for this purpose which fits national shallow frames?

TIA

 

[Erichalfbee]

https://www.honeyframepackaging.co.uk/
This is how I sell mine.

 

[Wilco]

https://www.honeyframepackaging.co.uk/
This is how I sell mine.

I'm meaning more in terms of a holder which can be used in a restaurant for people to help themselves to. Thanks though.

 

[Erichalfbee]

The frame is held in another wooden frame you can lift out.