Brother Adam - where are the detailed methods?

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Having read his books but the style is vague about how he actually did things. Experiments are mentioned, but there is nothing that would allow you repeat what he did.
Are there an detailed accounts anywhere?
 
Having read his books but the style is vague about how he actually did things. Experiments are mentioned, but there is nothing that would allow you repeat what he did.
Are there an detailed accounts anywhere?

Depends which experiments you are talking about.
If you are interested in his big experiment then a nice time line can be found http://perso.fundp.ac.be/~jvandyck/homage/ven.html click on bigraphy.
There are listings of every cross he made etc, just look around
 
It is a great shame that as yet, no comprehensive biography of Brother Adam has been written. It is now twenty years or so since he passed and memories are fading, many who knew him have also passed. His writings and lectures need to be collated for the benefit of all beekeepers and it would be interesting for beekeepers of the future to know what he was like as a man.
What are your views on the matter?
 
It is a great shame that as yet, no comprehensive biography of Brother Adam has been written. It is now twenty years or so since he passed and memories are fading, many who knew him have also passed. His writings and lectures need to be collated for the benefit of all beekeepers and it would be interesting for beekeepers of the future to know what he was like as a man.
What are your views on the matter?

A very worthwhile project, however it's possible that there might be a collection already in existence amongst the files at Buckfast Abbey. Anyone local to the area with time on their hands who could contact the Abbey with a view to undertake a search?
 
I would like to read some more detailed stuff too. I was engrossed by the documentary I found on Youtube, The Monk and the Honeybee I think it was called. Showed loads of great footage of Brother Adam and his methods plus visiting other countries and log hives supsended in trees etc. Fascinating stuff.
 
Please connect the dots by stating which of his books and/or lectures you have read.

I did not understand the methods he used even after reading his books. You would think that after keeping bees for 47 years I would be able to read and immediately grasp the concepts. Talking with a beekeeper in Germany who uses his methods quickly showed where I was missing major points.

His book Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey comes closest to describing the physical methods. Here are a few of the points that I found interesting.

He used a square hive body for a multitude of reasons such as being able to rotate the supers 90 degrees during a flow. This may not sound important, but the bees tend to position themselves on one side or the other of the brood chamber and they tend to store honey immediately above the brood nest. If the brood frames and super frames are aligned, this results in supers with only half the frames full of honey. Rotate those supers 90 degrees and the bees will move across and fill all of the frames with honey.

He did not fill the brood chamber up with frames. Instead, he left enough frames during winter for the cluster to cover then added frames during the spring expansion until he had the number of frames the queen could fill with eggs. The brood chamber was almost never full of frames. Winter organization was typically 3 to 5 frames with bees and honey and a follower board. This has several important effects on colony organization such as pushing field bees to the side of the brood chamber where they cluster. This cluster space is unique to the 12 frame Dadant hive and his methods of management. The effect is to push incoming nectar into the supers and decongest the brood nest. This significantly reduces swarming tendency.

He studied wintering under conditions where it was crucial to bees development. If you read carefully about his choices of breeding material, you will find that he valued good wintering traits highly. This was the sole reason he rejected several races of bees for breeding. An example is A. M. Major Nova. He tested wintering in insulated hives with the old style caps made with two layers of wood with either sawdust or leaves between the layers. Place a cap over 4 colonies and the worst of winter's cold would presumably be kept out and the bees would be warmer. What did he find? That the bees do not heat the hive, however, hive conditions have a major impact on behavior of the bees. A hive that was heavily insulated did not warm up enough on marginal days to enable cleansing flights. Bees in plain wooden boxes under the same conditions warmed up enough to take brief flights and as a result came through winter in much better condition.

What about moisture? Wintering bees release large amounts of water that can condense on the hive roof and drip back down on the bees. He recognized that bees release most of the moisture during spring brood rearing. By leaving only enough frames for the cluster to cover, with a naturally quiescent strain of bee, and by using appropriate roofing and hive construction, he was able to keep moisture to a minimum during the colder parts of winter.

He used queen excluders. This surprised me until I figured out that his management methods strongly favor bees moving into the supers at the earliest opportunity. Confining the queen to the brood chamber has a number of positive effects. Honey is stored above the brood which reduces brood nest congestion and reduces swarming. The queen is kept on brood frames that match her laying ability. Honey is extracted from clean frames which means it does not darken from brood cocoons.

His management methods are the art of sliding. This one surprised me a great deal. With a big enough brood chamber, the frames no longer have to be lifted out of the box. He slid the frames to one side, removed or otherwise manipulated only the frame(s) that needed attention, then slid the frames back together.
 
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Winter edition of the Welsh Beekeeper, states that Brother Adam trialled a protective wintering case 8 inches thick which was on the market in the US back in the 1920s. 168 colonies tested and R O B Manley tested as well, both came to the same conclusion, hives bone dry, but the colonies failed to build up.
 
If the appalling manner in which he was treated during his final years, by his superiors at the abbey, is anything to go by.... they will have been burnt.
A biographer would need to be bilingual and appreciate the principles of bee breeding. In fact to achieve the best result more than one person would need to contribute and the accounts should, as the good Mr Cromwell is reputed to have said, include warts and all.

The above is a reply to Gilberdyke John ( #4 above).
 
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There is Leslie Bill's biography
'For the love of Bees - the story of Brother Adam of Buckfast Abbey'
Written by Lesley Bill in 1989.
Just picked it up for a song on fleabay last week.
 
I was fortunate to meet David Kemp last time I was in the UK. He worked with Adam from 1964-1974. He was full of stories and suggestions. If I were still there, that's where I would go. Someone needs to get it written down, with the photos he has. Anyone up for that?
 
Fusion Power did you get all the info in your post from Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey or other sources?
Michael I agree with you it should be all written down.Did you actually see a lot of the note books or have most been destroyed?Did you hear any mention of a film of Brother Adam showing him inspecting hives and explaining what he was looking for?I was on an II course a few years with Michael Collier and a guy there who spent a lot of time at the abbey with Brother Adam told me about this.
 
Fusion Power did you get all the info in your post from Beekeeping at Buckfast Abbey or other sources?
Michael I agree with you it should be all written down.Did you actually see a lot of the note books or have most been destroyed?Did you hear any mention of a film of Brother Adam showing him inspecting hives and explaining what he was looking for?I was on an II course a few years with Michael Collier and a guy there who spent a lot of time at the abbey with Brother Adam told me about this.

There is almost a full pedigree of the Buckfast lineages here reproduced from Br. Adams notes.
http://perso.fundp.ac.be/~jvandyck/homage/elver/pedgr/ped_BA_1930.html
Each year is a separate page with that years breeding's and comments by Brother Adam. e.g 1962 was the first time he had Sahariensis.
One day I'll sit down and try to figure it all out.
 
No, I didn't see anything. Had dinner with David and Simon Croson, and then spoke at their meeting in Notts. In a rugby club. After, we had drinks in the pub. David's stories became more animated with the Guinness. I was impressed with the need to get these stories written down. I've been prodding Simon to do it, but no luck.

There must be someone here that knows David and would do this Yes?
 
Dano41, I gleaned most of the information I currently have from the book, but a significant amount of the nuances in his hive management have come from my efforts this year to convert to square Dadant hives similar to Brother Adam's. I also had the advantage of a beekeeper in Germany who uses Brother Adam's methods and contributed quite a few comments about hive management. It was from him that I learned about rotating supers 90 degrees and from him I found the information about sliding frames instead of pulling them out of the hive. He also told the reason for the extra space in the hive body that is used for clustering of foragers.

I figured out a couple of items that have not been documented such as the reason why he only gave hives a limited number of frames for winter. It started because the first year he had bees on the large frames and in the large hives, he had a limited number of drawn frames so he wintered the bees on the frames that he had available. That gave him the idea and rationale behind keeping the winter cluster on the number of frames the cluster could cover. This gives excellent results and permits ready evaluation of winter performance based on number of frames present (tells cluster size in fall), frames occupied by bees in spring (tells how the cluster is developing), and pounds of stores consumed over winter (tells winter efficiency).

I have only found two minor items that he missed. He used standard Dadant spacing of 1.5 inches (38 mm) and does not seem to have trialed closer spacing at 1.25 inches (32 mm). I gain a benefit in my climate from 32mm spacing. My bees build up earlier in the spring. This is important because my spring flow starts about 10 weeks after first pollen in early February. With early buildup from closer spacing and smaller cells, I can split my bees in the spring and have 2 productive colonies for the spring flow. He also did not document using 2 queen colonies for honey production. With the square Dadant hive, there is plenty of room to run a horizontal 2 queen system. This has the potential to greatly increase honey production with minimal expense for extra hardware. The 2 queen production system is commonly used in Germany with modification kits available from suppliers. I figured it out independently and was building my hives with this capability, then found the suppliers and hardware kits available in Europe.
 
Dano41, I gleaned most of the information ...............................................ts available in Europe.
The information which he imparted needs to be documented. Why are there biographies of countless dimwits, but nothing substantial to record the life of a remarkable monk? A monk who started at the very bottom and went on to develop skills and techniques that put him at the very forefront of bee breeding. It is unlikely he will ever be equalled, far less surpassed. For many years Buckfast bees were not even bred in England.
I expect that Jerry from Northern Bee books would be happy to publish the biography, is one to believe that in this land of England there is not an able and willing author?
 

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