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Why don't you make one up? Try this: (Imagine...) For many years you have bred alsatians. In all that time you have successfully controlled mating, matching only purebreeds with purebreeds. But lately you've got slack. Specifically you haven't been maintaining or inspecting your fences...

What makes you think I think that?

I agree; but we have choices. Both communally and as individuals we can choose to ignore the harms we are casually capable of, or try to avoid them. We can do the latter much better when we are aware that they are occurring. (And we often avoid such knowledge in order to preserve our...

Its not just 'survival of the fittest. Natural selection constantly hones wild population toward an optimal state. The 'fitter' the population is, the more it flourishes. Natural selections is not only absolutely necessary for survival, it brings about optimal health in constantly changing...

I agree wholeheartedly. Where we differ is that I believe that treating and importing bees are high horse behaviours. They diminish our ecology - something that is already gasping for breath. A little more empathy there would be a fine thing. I know not all beekeepers will do that. But...

Sadly, being a highly successful beekeeper doesn't automatically mean you are doing no harm. There are many highly successful farmers dismantling rainforests. Etc.

Well, let's look at the context. This is how i would cast things: Natural selection is what happens when people aren't involved. Breeding is what happens when people aim to replace natural selection. Inadvertent 'breeding" is what happens when people affect natural selection as a byproduct of...

It's about free living bees, not buckfasts. Buckfasts were just used to illustrate a point.

This looks like a good start. Would you agree? https://www.apidologie.org/articles/apido/full_html/2010/03/m09147/m09147.html Note, ref the claims made in the film and my own position which you know: Breeding programs are well established in many European countries, based on performance...

Hey, I asked the the question. If you want to fill me in I'm all ears. Not that I'm that interested. When I see breeders (of any race or hybrid) talking about the mechanism by which treating suppresses resistance and making a case for breeding locally, then I'll be interested. The standing...

I guess that answers my question.

It seems to me that we have sidetracked into defending buckfasts. Certainly the film focused on them, and I'm not really sure why. Here in the treatment free section the only interest I have in buckfasts is what happens if you don't treat them. And, are they all alike in that respect, or is...

That's one way to look at things, but most of the time when we speak of nature we are talking about what happens when people aren’t around, or aren't interfering in natural processes.

I can't agree with that. Ferals are nature-built survivor/thrivers; Buckfasts artificially-assembled non-survivors. I'd be interested to see your parallels.

The film seemed confused about AMM, believing that the locally adapted ferals were leftover AMMs. They are not, they are mixed race, and each colony will have genes from a broad and differing spread of races. 'Locally adapted' populations are just bees that are reproducing in sufficient numbers...

Its rather like breeding. Dogs, cattle, racing pigeons - the only trick they have is selecting parents. But my, can they go on about it. The problem is: when you're right, you're right.

The main case, it seems to me, is that bees in the UK can live unaided. There, in the localities in which they have adapted they have the best available genes for that place. They are self-sufficient. The secondary case is that importing bees, and moving them around, breaks and disrupts...

It makes a case, though not awfully well I agree. What is it about the _case_ that you disagree with?

Why was he banned?

I can see 'members: 32, guests: 393'. Is that what you mean? Probably bots trying to nick IDs and personal details. I doubt they are interested in text for large language model databases - social media is a famously lousy source.