What's the difference between deep brood and 14x12?

[waverider]

Is there any significant difference between deep brood and 14x12?

Ordered six deep brood poly's by mistake as I wanted 14x12. Not arrived yet but if there is little difference I will not return.

 

[region2]

DN1 or DN4 - Deep National frames are about 9" (8 7/8" to be precise) top to bottom so not what you needed. Obviously check with your supplier in case they call their 14" x 12" 'deep'...

R2

 

[Skyhook]

14 x 12 have come in as normal deep brood boxes are considered too small for the bees we have now. I would send them back, or you will end up faffing about with brood and a half or double brood.

 

[masterBK]

Or you might discover the advantages of Demaree, cloak board systems and other benefits of running a double brood system!

 

[waverider]

DN1 or DN4 - Deep National frames are about 9" (8 7/8" to be precise) top to bottom so not what you needed. Obviously check with your supplier in case they call their 14" x 12" 'deep'...

R2

I ordered the hives from beekeepingsuppl**s. They do a jumbo (14 x12) and also a deep brood. For some moronic reason i selected the deep brood. Will try and cancel the order before it reaches my door even though it has been dispatched.

 

[itma]

I ordered the hives from beekeepingsuppl**s. They do a jumbo (14 x12) and also a deep brood. ...

In this case "deep brood" will simply mean a standard National brood box.


/// late addition ! BHS poly boxes are standard *internal* sizes. The walls are thicker, so the footprint is bigger, 500mm square instead of 461.
The difference between the two models is in the depth of the frames they take - std nat brood (eg DN4 orDN5) versus 14x12 ...

 

[For want of a better word]

In this case "deep brood" will simply mean a standard National brood box.

blame Langstroth, Dadant et al for causing such confounded confusion!
seems those type of hives being so vast compared with the original WBC boxes and the use of same size frames for both brood and beekeeperers takeaway store boxes within their remit....

Supers are well.. supers ....and broods are well... deep supers, unless used as broods... and then they are deeps.


Don't mention quilts!

 

[Beanwood]

Supers are well.. supers ....

Supers are anything above the QX aren't they, so can be any sort of size - perhaps even 14x12's ?

 

[Skyhook]

Supers are anything above the QX aren't they, so can be any sort of size - perhaps even 14x12's ?

Yes... if you use QX's...

 

[beeno]

Supers are anything above the QX aren't they, so can be any sort of size - perhaps even 14x12's ?

Hi Beanwood,
Thanks for that. Thought I had perhaps made a mistake. As a matter of interest to you or perhaps not I have just dispatched my two chickens and made chicken soup and chineese stir fry. Quite good actually not tough at all considering that they were three years old and more taste than shop bought broilers. I was surprised.

 

[BeeMoustashe]

all seems a bit cheeky to me, and a mistake i could see myself making! A national brood is a national brood to me, so a deep brood would necessarily be a 14x12! If it wasn't a deep brood, it would be a super!

Think it's a tad misleading by the supplier.

 

[drstitson]

"Think it's a tad misleading by the supplier."

not really - as per previous post there is a standardised naming convention

shallow (ie super); deep (ie brood); extra-deep or 14x12

do you have problems buying frames? No? yet they come in SN or DN flavours!!!!

"A national brood is a national brood to me"

boxes are actually only defined by what they have in them - could use a deep box for honey or shallows for brood.

 

[BeeMoustashe]

do you have problems buying frames? No? yet they come in SN or DN flavours!!!!

nope, i run commercials

Guess I just don't pay enough attention to the marketing of nationals!

 

[alanf]

A national brood is a national brood to me, so a deep brood would necessarily be a 14x12! If it wasn't a deep brood, it would be a super! Think it's a tad misleading by the supplier.

The old "British National Hive" standard from 1961 has:

The hive consists of a floor with an entrance block, one or more deep (brood) boxes, a crownboard, and a roof. Supers or section racks may be used for the storage of honey...

2. Brood Chamber
@ external lateral dimensions 18 1/8" x 18 1/8 "
@ depth 8 7/8"...

If any supplier is selling "British National Deep" boxes they will be eight and seven eighths inches high in contrast with the "Shallow Super" at 5 7/8". The boxes for 14x12 frames were not part of the standard, if a supplier lists them they are either "14x12" or "Extra Deep".

 

[itma]

... The boxes for 14x12 frames were not part of the standard, if a supplier lists them they are either "14x12" or "Extra Deep".

Or sometimes (as here) "jumbo".
Which introduces more confusion because it already has a meaning to Langstroth fanciers ...

 

[alanf]

Or sometimes (as here) "jumbo".
Which introduces more confusion because it already has a meaning to Langstroth fanciers ...

True on both counts. In not so many years 14x12 or 16x10 won't mean a lot to those who never worked in inches.