Super Storage

[citrus]

That doesn't matter because as soon as they hatch into larvae and eat the spores on the wax they are on their way to wax moth hell!

I fumigated 12 broodchmambers of comb using smouldering sulphur strips and it worked a treat (also killed loads of earwigs hiding in the cells). These are much cheapers than Certan.

now i own a tub of the italian "certan" that was recommended it wasnt too expensive and its harmless to me and the bees .... and cheap enough to give the supers and indeed spare brood frames several squirts over a few weeks
to ensure there is good coverage ...

 

[simonforeman]

I have found 3 of my spare stored full honey frames with odd signs of wax moth lavea lines In them. Can I freeze them for 24 hours and then still use in nucs? Will 24 hours in the freezer kill them off?

 

[Murox]

Yes. should be fine after a good freezing. Kills most things.

 

[Millet]

Lal..i have a hotbox sulphur burner for the greenhouse..it does not sublimate the sulpher but warms it up so it slowly evaporates... it stinks the greenhouse out but i never have any issues with white fly/aphids or any other pests on food grade plants..
I hung the said hotbox above my wet supers in the greenhouse last year..it might have been luck but i never had any problems with wax moth or anything else..
With these burners you have to have them above as the small sulpher crystals drop once they hit cool air but they cover anything below with a fine supher dust..maybe have a read up on them..

 

[Millet]

Yes. should be fine after a good freezing. Kills most things.

I remember watching a Mike Palmer video in god knows what minus temperature it was and he showed live wax moth larvae in a frame..

 

[Beefriendly]

Lal..i have a hotbox sulphur burner for the greenhouse..it does not sublimate the sulpher but warms it up so it slowly evaporates... it stinks the greenhouse out but i never have any issues with white fly/aphids or any other pests on food grade plants....

That rotten egg smell you get with a hiobox sulphur burner is sulphur dioxide, the real poison. Plus you are getting sublimation of the sulphur...which doesn't smell half as much but will coat things.
Or burn a sulphur candle and get same effect.

 

[Finman]

Sublimation is the art of changing from solid to gas without a liquid phase. Sulphur melts at 115 centigrade and boils at 444 degrees, so you would need a pretty hot pan to vaporize it even if it was straight sulphur that you needed.

Pedants hat firmly attached, and ducking for cover.

As far as I know, killing fume is sulfur diokside = burned sulfur.

Oxalic acid vaporation is different because acid dust kills the mites.

As far as I know, ordinary sulfur is not poisonous when touched.

 

[Finman]

Sublimation is the art of changing from solid to gas without a liquid phase. Sulphur melts at 115 centigrade and boils at 444 degrees, so you would need a pretty hot pan to vaporize it even if it was straight sulphur that you needed.

Pedants hat firmly attached, and ducking for cover.

As far as I know, killing fume is sulfur diokside = burned sulfur.

Oxalic acid vaporation is different because acid dust kills the mites.

As far as I know, ordinary sulfur is not poisonous when touched.
I do not understand either, how sublimated sulfur can be poinonous.

 

[Finman]

Sublimation is the art of changing from solid to gas without a liquid phase. Sulphur melts at 115 centigrade and boils at 444 degrees, so you would need a pretty hot pan to vaporize it even if it was straight sulphur that you needed.

Pedants hat firmly attached, and ducking for cover.

As far as I know, killing fume is sulfur diokside = burned sulfur.

Oxalic acid vaporation is different because acid dust kills the mites.

As far as I know, ordinary sulfur is not poisonous when touched.
I do not understand either, how sublimated sulfur can be poinonous.

I have burned sulfur in my comb storage, but it does not much kill waxworms, either moths.

SO2 fume is so strong to respiration, that you surely notice yorself that thing.
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[Millet]

That rotten egg smell you get with a hiobox sulphur burner is sulphur dioxide, the real poison. Plus you are getting sublimation of the sulphur...which doesn't smell half as much but will coat things.
Or burn a sulphur candle and get same effect.

I am rubbish with science as you can tell but you have just about got my head around that..

Edit to add do you know if the hotbox would help keep waxmoth at bay..

 

[Finman]

That rotten eggp smell you get with a hiobox sulphur burner is sulphur dioxide, .

That stuff is H2S, hydrogen sulfide . It is flammable. And sulfur diokside is already burned, it reacts with water and forms sulfur acid.

 

[Hivemaker.]

Also use one, it does not kill everything like when burning sulfur, very safe for plants and many other larger insects in the greenhouse, it works much the same as just dusting with sulfur, but easier.
Description below.

Unique temperature control – cannot overheat the sulphur to create damaging oxides, releases ONLY pure sulphur

http://www.hotboxworld.com/products/hotbox-sulfume/8/cat

 

[Ian123]

How much are they?

 

[Hivemaker.]

How much are they?

Depends where you buy from, anything from £75 up to a £100.

 

[Haughton Honey]

DiPel DF for me personally.

 

[For want of a better word]

DiPel DF for me personally.

https://southernag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dipel.pdf

Dust inhalation is probably no worse than smoking 50 **** a day.... not putting that poison any where near our honey!

Yeghes da

 

[Murox]

I remember watching a Mike Palmer video in god knows what minus temperature it was and he showed live wax moth larvae in a frame..

Interesting note. Was it in the freezer for 24+hours though?

 

[Haughton Honey]

https://southernag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Dipel.pdf

Dust inhalation is probably no worse than smoking 50 **** a day.... not putting that poison any where near our honey!

Yeghes da

.....mixed thoroughly 1:20 with water and then used as a stock solution 1:5 to make a useable, working-strength solution sprayed directly onto frames before storage. 10 ml per side per frame using a fine nozzle garden centre spray.

 

[For want of a better word]

.....mixed thoroughly 1:20 with water and then used as a stock solution 1:5 to make a useable, working-strength solution sprayed directly onto frames before storage. 10 ml per side per frame using a fine nozzle garden centre spray.

Thanks HH.... possibly OK if in a solution.... but droplets could still enter lungs if PPE not fully administrated.

Friends son died of cancer a few years back after ( probably) inhaling sheep dip vapour from watching his grandfather using organophoshhate dip.

Grandfather died of same kind of cancer a month before him.

Just take care... Big pest co just want profits for their shareholders it seems.

Chons da

 

[Beefriendly]

That stuff is H2S, hydrogen sulfide . It is flammable. And sulfur diokside is already burned, it reacts with water and forms sulfur acid.

Yes...you are right...I meant it smells more like a recently burn match.

Millet as for wax moth...it will destroy any present at time of smoking but not sure if it will have any effect on any that come along and lay eggs later.