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[Gilberdyke John]

I am not debating causation. I am saying what my eyes see. If you see the tide coming in, you don't debate how or why, but get out of the way.

Or you go down to the jetty with your fishing gear and use it to your advantage

 

[Karol]

The earth looks flat to me and I've never seen a spherical earth with my own eyes so I don't believe it.

"Some people believe that it is excellent and correct to work out a thing as absurd as did that Sarmatian [i.e., Polish] astronomer who moves the earth and stops the sun. Indeed, wise rulers should have curbed such light-mindedness." So said Melanchthon.

Strange how Kopernikus worked out that the Earth isn't flat from his pedestrian vantage point.

Not at all strange that religion saw him as a threat to their authority.

 

[jenkinsbrynmair]

Strange how Kopernikus worked out that the Earth isn't flat from his pedestrian vantage point.

but he didn't 'discover' the earth was round, everyone knew the earth was round way before then - it's only in recent times that the flat earthers appeared over the horizon, a bit like climate change deniers

 

[Karol]

but he didn't 'discover' the earth was round, everyone knew the earth was round way before then - it's only in recent times that the flat earthers appeared over the horizon, a bit like climate change deniers

I didn't say that he discovered the Earth was round.

 

[JamezF]

but he didn't 'discover' the earth was round, everyone knew the earth was round way before then

Indeed. Getting on for 2,500 years ago as far as I recall.

it's only in recent times that the flat earthers appeared over the horizon, a bit like climate change deniers

I've come to the conclusion that the "big names" amongst the flat-earthers, climate-change deniers and right-wing nutjobs like Alex Jones (who claimed the Sandy Hook school massacre was a hoax) only exist because they've realised they can make money from it. I doubt some of them even believe what they're saying. It's just a performance. They know that people who are disaffected with society or unhappy with their own lives and need to blame it on someone else will give them money or buy their tat if they just find the right trigger.

James

 

[pargyle]

The earth looks flat to me and I've never seen a spherical earth with my own eyes so I don't believe it.

Well ... you would not be the first member of the flat earth society found in beekeeping circles !

 

[JamezF]

Well ... you would not be the first member of the flat earth society found in beekeeping circles !

They've got members all over the globe, apparently.

James

 

[Karol]

I've come to the conclusion that the "big names" amongst the flat-earthers, climate-change deniers and right-wing nutjobs like Alex Jones (who claimed the Sandy Hook school massacre was a hoax) only exist because they've realised they can make money from it. I doubt some of them even believe what they're saying. It's just a performance. They know that people who are disaffected with society or unhappy with their own lives and need to blame it on someone else will give them money or buy their tat if they just find the right trigger.

James

I think you'll find that more money is being made jumping onto the CO2 band wagon with far wider reaching consequences than just making money.

I doubt very much that the average person quite understands the impact for example that left wing anti-CO2 activism has on for example the NHS or indeed on the cost of sugar for that matter.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-rea...-procurement-of-nhs-goods-services-and-works/
When the NHS is in crisis I think it is nothing short of criminal to waste precious resources on something that will make not a single jot of difference to the climate because it's barking up the wrong tree.

I have no problem funding sustainability and genuinely green initiatives such as re-greening which genuinely tackle the environmental impact including anthropogenic climate change that we as a species have on our planet. I have a problem however with marketeers profiteering off of the vulnerable all in the name of the carbon emissions religion including marketeers buying up sugar for bio-fuel.

 

[Pembroke]

Indeed. Getting on for 2,500 years ago as far as I recall.



I've come to the conclusion that the "big names" amongst the flat-earthers, climate-change deniers and right-wing nutjobs like Alex Jones (who claimed the Sandy Hook school massacre was a hoax) only exist because they've realised they can make money from it. I doubt some of them even believe what they're saying. It's just a performance. They know that people who are disaffected with society or unhappy with their own lives and need to blame it on someone else will give them money or buy their tat if they just find the right trigger.

James

Alex Jones appears to have got his comeuppance though, as it's been ruled that he must pay the defamation lawsuit amount awarded to the Sandy Hook Families and declaring bankruptcy will not absolve him of that requirement as he tried to do recently.

 

[Erichalfbee]

I have no problem funding sustainability

Some sort of extravagant shindig going on in Singapore. Any offsetting I wonder ?

 

[Newbeeneil]

Some sort of extravagant shindig going on in Singapore. Any offsetting I wonder ?

I had the same thought!

 

[Antipodes]

Australia has just (a couple of days ago) taken steps to help as Tuvalu in the Cook Islands is expected to go under by the middle of the century.

https://time.com/6333731/australia-climate-refuge-pact-tuvalu/

There are court cases going on as they struggle for action.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09...law-of-the-sea-court-climate-change/102844236
Thousands of mutton birds have died recently coming back from their 10000k flight from the Northern Hemisphere. It is suspected that they died of starvation in the strangely warm waters. I heard the other day that the waters off Tasmania are rising at four times the global average. Here is a photo of a muttonbird I found dead on a beach here a couple of days ago. I've never ever seen one of these amazing birds dead on a beach in all my life until now.

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/...a/news-story/488a4124467d23559397a6f062f545a6

 

[Wilco]

Well I have lived in the same house for over 40 years so let's look at my local evidence:
Hotter summers ? Yes
Colder winters? No
Warmer winters? Yes
More snow? No (we used to have 1 meter drifts in our yard.)
Hardly any snow ? Yes.
Earlier frosts? No.
Later frosts? Yes (First frosts used to be early October. No frosts this autumn- yet)


When reality and hype disagree I choose hype of course because I reject the real world...

I also feel like I remember October frosts as a child but don't get many now. However, we have had two frosts thus far this year and expect a third is possible tonight.

I feel like the snow, if we get it, comes later too. I remember it used to come before Christmas and now it's usually March. However I have relatively few years to make the comparison to.

 

[JamezF]

I also feel like I remember October frosts as a child but don't get many now. However, we have had two frosts thus far this year and expect a third is possible tonight.

I'm genuinely shocked. We've not got even remotely close to a frost so far and many nights we still have temperatures in double figures. The forecast for next weekend has daytime temperatures at 14°C. For almost two thirds of the way through November it's utterly crazy.

James

 

[Antipodes]

I also feel like I remember October frosts as a child but don't get many now. However, we have had two frosts thus far this year and expect a third is possible tonight.

I feel like the snow, if we get it, comes later too. I remember it used to come before Christmas and now it's usually March. However I have relatively few years to make the comparison to.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/bu...t-tasmanian-town-destroyed-by-fire-c-12532489
We lost a couple of houses here last night and it's not even mid-November.

 

[Antipodes]

I'm genuinely shocked. We've not got even remotely close to a frost so far and many nights we still have temperatures in double figures. The forecast for next weekend has daytime temperatures at 14°C. For almost two thirds of the way through November it's utterly crazy.

James

This winter here was unreal. Just a few frosts. Each of June, July and August had 18/19 degree maximums at times. The bees did well though.

 

[Erichalfbee]

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/bu...t-tasmanian-town-destroyed-by-fire-c-12532489
We lost a couple of houses here last night and it's not even mid-November.

Whereabouts in Tasmania are you?

 

[JamezF]

Whereabouts in Tasmania are you?

I've just looked at a map of Tasmania. I reckon a lot of people from the southern counties of the UK and the north midlands must have ended up there for one reason or another. Probably all criminal I see place names such as Bridport, Devonport, Launceston, Falmouth, Hastings, Dover, Kingston, Stonehenge, Bridgewater, Brighton, Sidmouth, Exeter, Andover, Somerset, Cornwall, Richmond, Runnymede, Sheffield, Derby and Westbury. But there are also Swansea, Beaumaris, Kettering, St Helens, Hamilton and Gretna.

My favourite so far though is a place called Cooee. Sadly it doesn't include an exclamation mark (or even several) at the end of the name.

James

 

[Karol]

This winter here was unreal. Just a few frosts. Each of June, July and August had 18/19 degree maximums at times. The bees did well though.

It's not at all surprising that temperatures are increasing in and around the Australian continent. Apart from Atacama and possibly California, I don't know of anywhere else that has sucked the ground so dry of water. That's the real reason why you have so many fires. Try putting some of the water back. There's a lesson to be learned from Saudi Arabia and what they are doing to improve their hydrology.

Me and my better half went on a cruise holiday earlier this year to Noraay and it was absolutely surreal sailing through a vivid orange sea, not blue, or green, or grey but vivid orange. A massive algal bloom conveniently blamed on climate change. More likely however, is millions of tonnes of fertilizer and pesticide wash off from industrial farming feeding the bloom. Far more likely to trap heat in the surface currents of the seas & oceans and a far more likely cause of melting polar ice.

I notice that Australia continues to use intensive farming techniques based on heavy use of fertilizers and neonics which are way more deadly to coral reefs and therein to dependant migratory birds than a slight fluctuation in temperature.

 

[Antipodes]

I've just looked at a map of Tasmania. I reckon a lot of people from the southern counties of the UK and the north midlands must have ended up there for one reason or another. Probably all criminal I see place names such as Bridport, Devonport, Launceston, Falmouth, Hastings, Dover, Kingston, Stonehenge, Bridgewater, Brighton, Sidmouth, Exeter, Andover, Somerset, Cornwall, Richmond, Runnymede, Sheffield, Derby and Westbury. But there are also Swansea, Beaumaris, Kettering, St Helens, Hamilton and Gretna.

My favourite so far though is a place called Cooee. Sadly it doesn't include an exclamation mark (or even several) at the end of the name.

James

Beautiful farmland up around Cooee. Deep red soils.

Whereabouts in Tasmania are you?

I meant "here" as in Tasmania. Tasmania is just one place. It's a very small population. Everyone knows everyone or is related.