Sublimation

[TryingToLetThemBee]

Bees' biology is constructed so that it should be peace during winter rest.
All kind of knocking, temp measuring , peeping through cover glass and walking around hives distubs their winter rest.
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Which is why all this talk of brood searching, brood forking, power-jetting, freezing, reopening, hosing down with scalding gas vapour at 157C or sluicing down with acid makes me say "bl%dy mites".

 

[itma]

"sluicing down with acid"

The point may have been missed that trickling employs a 3% solution.
And just a measured teaspoonful per 'seam' of bees.
It is more like pickling vinegar than battery acid.

And, like looking through clear coverboards, its surprising how little upset can be caused.

 

[mbc]

Brood or not during winter, it depends much on bee strain what you have.

And if you tend to feed the colony many times during winter, it keeps brooding on.

It is important to the colony that it has a real winter rest during British winter.
If bees are active all winter around, they are not long living workers.

If I buy from Italy queens, I surely get all the time brooding hives, but local Italiana are breeded so that they have a good brood break.


Bees' biology is constructed so that it should be peace during winter rest.
All kind of knocking, temp measuring , peeping through cover glass and walking around hives distubs their winter rest.
.

I agree with all of this, especially with "Brood or not during winter, it depends much on bee strain what you have. "
Wisdom of Yoda !

 

[Heather]

But Finman, we cannot rule the weather and some here have bees still out collecting. Looking at a south facing hive as I write, entrance busy! They are stimulating the queen to keep laying brood. Working when so little out there, we need to feed them.

Bump
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380642655140


This seems too cheap.. will it suffice, safety wise?

 

[VEG]

Heather that mask does not say "organic acid" any where in that add, it may be cheap but may not protect your lungs. Do a search for the proper type of mask, which will protect you from organic acids. There are some on the bay

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

"sluicing down with acid"

A bit of poetic licence, I admit. I'm heading more in the trickle direction than the sublimation, I admit, so I'll shut up because that means I'm off topic.

 

[Heather]

Thanks Veg, appreciate the advice, found suitable on ebay

 

[user 6228]

300W

The varrox is about 150W, I believe. That is why yours is so much faster.

Mine is 150W, made a long time ago with three diesel glow plugs embedded in a machined aluminium base.

One glow plug must be very slow, or it is a high powerered one! Or perhaps the process is speeded a little by using anhydrous oxalic acid.

I would think that buying in ready pelleted oxalic about doubles the cost, or perhaps more? My half a kilo will more than last me out, I reckon, unless I go the Hivemaker route.

I saw earlier in the thread that it supposedly needs over 5Ah to sublimate one colony with a 12V battery. Did not get a response by return PM, so a heads up to all that may have been led up the garden path - it is only about a tenth of that figure!

RAB

it seems a lot of power for 2g, what is the latent heat of vapourisation of oxalic acid?

 

[pargyle]

But Finman, we cannot rule the weather and some here have bees still out collecting. Looking at a south facing hive as I write, entrance busy! They are stimulating the queen to keep laying brood. Working when so little out there, we need to feed them.

QUOTE]

Yep ... mine were flying this morning and it was only just above 8 degrees ... not a lot of them but what there was were coming back with pollen ... they are finding something and I suspect there is still brood in the hive. I've a clear crownboard but I'm not peeping at present ... very tempting though it is I think it's good advice to leave them to get on with it ... Nearly the end of November and they are still out and about ... incredible !

 

[Tom Bick]

Nearly the end of November and they are still out and about ... incredible ![/QUOTE]

Dont worry in time you will get used to it.

 

[VEG]

Nearly the end of November and they are still out and about ... incredible !

Dont worry in time you will get used to it.[/QUOTE]

How many years does it take to stop worrying though lol

 

[roche]

it seems a lot of power for 2g, what is the latent heat of vapourisation of oxalic acid?

I suspect the latent heat of oxalic acid is less of an issue than the thermal mass of whatever it is sitting in. I tend to agree with O90s maths....

 

[Tom Bick]

Dont worry in time you will get used to it.

How many years does it take to stop worrying though lol[/QUOTE]

I have a few hives that I am not worried about but then I worry because I am not worrying

 

[Tom Bick]

Is it me or is something a bit weird with a few of the last posts?

 

[VEG]

Is it me or is something a bit weird with a few of the last posts?

In what way?

 

[Hivemaker.]

Is it me or is something a bit weird with a few of the last posts?

Looks like some of the quotes are all mixed up.

 

[Tom Bick]

Yes that's it

 

[TryingToLetThemBee]

Once you have a free square bracket floating around it'll mess up quotes in all sorts of ways.

 

[pargyle]

Once you have a free square bracket floating around it'll mess up quotes in all sorts of ways.

If anyone has some free square brackets I could use them as I've got some shelves to put up in the garage !

 

[victor meldrew]

I wonder if anyone has used sublimation with a floor with an under floor entrance ?


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