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Just got a reply to a question about plastic hives and foul brood from the NBU.

It could get interesting if somone has a lot of polystyrene/plastic hives with a a problem!

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As yet the NBU has not dealt with a significant outbreak of foul brood in apiaries where plastic hives are used. Just the odd one or two or plastic boxes.

Sterilizing plastic hives is not a problem if they are in good condition and clean. It could be time consuming. I understand that plastic hives are not as prone to be propolised as wooden but I have no practical expieience in this field. Plastics react well to disinfectants when they are clean.

A plastic hive could be cleaned by scrubing in a warm washing soda solution and then disinfected by using a proprietry disinfectant such as 'Vircon S' which is available in small quantities.

Soaking plastics in a solution of 1 part Domestos to 7 parts water for 20 minutes will also be effective and will destroy AFB spores as well as EFB.

The washing and soaking would have to be done outdoors and suitable safety precautions taken. Disposal of solutions could be an issue if large quantities are used.

Irradation is also an effective option but realistacally not financially viable for small quantitis. It is done at a plant near Swindon. Equipment has to palletised and wrapped before delivery.

Destruction of the bees can be a problem as petrol may damage some of the plastic floors. Petrol is used as no harmful residues remain as would be the case with pesticides and other 'insect killers'.

Disosal of plastic equipment that is damaged and 'infected' will be a problem as it cannot be burnt and landfill will not be an option in the future so this has to be done by a specialist company. The NBU would not pay for this. It would be the reponsibility of the beekeeper and is not included in BDI cover.

Richard Ball. Extension Officer.
 

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Probably not but at least I know what their position is.

This will affect my decision on whether or not to use polystyrene hives, especially as there is EFB in my 10km grid sqare.

I might have to think about investing in a tar boiler...
 

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I already have a Tar boiler.

I was after a Burco at the time but all the diesel/chip oil guys kept bidding them up on Fleabay.

I run mine off butane.
 

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>>This for hive parts, beeks or seasonal inspectors with bad news?<<

Given my current mood probably anything that fits in it, folded up or otherwise!
 

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On a slight tangent, but similar lines (if you follow), I wonder if the omlet beehaus is dishwasher proof?

I am not stating this will produce a sterile item, but would help in cleaning.

You will be amazed at what you can wash in a dishwasher:svengo:

DOnt tell the OH, but some of you will know my other hobby is Land Rovers (Hello Roger!). Engine parts come up a treat over night (when she is asleep):svengo::cheers2::boxing_smiley:
 

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Foul Brood in plastic hives - Omlet's advice

Hello all - this is my first post as I've been 'lurking' and reading up about beekeeping to see if it's for me. I've been reading about the new beehaus, as i have Omlet's cubes and eglus for my chooks. I thought this information from Omlet might be helpful to your discussions:


It is seems to be a common misconception that you cannot sterilise plastic beehives, killing bacteria or spores. Plastic can be sterilised using common chemicals (e.g.bleach, caustic soda or virkon 5). This is made clear by Defra in their advisory leaflets ( https://secure.csl.gov.uk/beebase/pdfs/fbleaflet.pdf – page 30, under the head Chemical Sterilisation ). The only thing that chemicals cannot treat is wax - but you would remove this before doing the sterilisation. Wooden hives are only flamed because they have lots of nooks and crannies which you cannot reach and the wood absorbs the bacteria into its surfaces.

As beekeepers ourselves, we are aware of the requirements to completely sterilise a hive that has had EFB or AFB. So, we designed the beehaus to be easy to clean and sterilise. It is also very easy to replace any part you like – simply unbolt it. As with Omlet products, every part will be available quickly and at a reasonable price. If you were unfortunate to have either type of foulbrood – you can fulfill your statutory requirements without having to burn you hive and we would help you get your hive up and running again as quickly as possible,


It's been fascinating reading about beekeeping and this forum has been very helpful in my research - thanks and hope that this has been helpful.
 

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Hello all - this is my first post as I've been 'lurking' and reading up about beekeeping to see if it's for me.
You must be a fast lurker as you only joined yesterday and have spent less than an hour on the forum.
I find your defence of Omlet very commendable even if a little misguided regards english law.


Sterilise for AFB ?
I thought DEFRA recommended burning any hives with AFB(at the discretion of the bee inspector) with BBKA colony insurance compensating members ?.

I dont mean to sound rude but Omlet information could be a little like listening to a Comet employee telling you "no you cant have a refund as its company policy" even when the law of the land say's different.

Just remember omlet is a business,and only there to turn a profit and if a bee inspector say's burn then you burn !
 

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With EFB you might get away with chemical sterilisation. However, given AFB has a very resilliant sporophyte stage, sterilizing a beehaus could be awkward, especially when it comes to getting all the wax off without damaging the plastic.
 

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crikey -- i was just passing on what was said on Omlet, and thought you might be interested since this is what the topic was about.
 

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Really ?

Should I reply to your posts here or the ones on the Omlet site ?


Sorry If I am wrong but first off you lied saying you had been "Lurking" here when you only joined the day before and had been online only long enough to read a couple of threads.

Once you had smoothed over your entrance you informed us that the "Experts" at Omlet had decided that beekeepers do not need to burn hives for EFB and AFB.

You have nearly 700 posts on the Omlet forum so know what a lurker is,so why lie ? to make your defence of Omlet more valid ?

This is your post on the Omlet site:

We are beeing mocked for having 'fluffy thinking'.

Shame that experienced beeks who might be of real assistance to those of us who are keen to take on the responsibilities of keeping bees are making such huge assumptions about who we are and what we can do.... it's blinkin' practical poultry forum all over again
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Please dont come on this forum and play dumb while trying to start a flame war.
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Congrats laurmurf :)

You have just proved what most of the people on here believe about those who would own a beehaus :cheers2:

Please feel free to post some more rubbish so we have plenty more amo to riddicle you and your mates some more :cheers2:

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There are over half a million plastic beehives in use in Europe and they seem to be managing with foulbroods.
 

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Anyone would think that you have a vested financial interest in selling plastic hives Rooftops ;)

The point I was trying to make was that we already have a new member who is thinking of taking up beekeeping who has been informed by a company that if you own a plastic hive its ok to scrub out any EFB+AFB, when we know that most bee inspectors will force you to dig a pit and burn everything.

Dont forget the Inspector works for the same department that told famers to build great funeral pyres and tractored cows in a few years back.
 
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"Soaking plastics in a solution of 1 part Domestos to 7 parts water for 20 minutes will also be effective and will destroy AFB spores as well as EFB."

Richard Ball, National Bee Inspector
 

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Thanks for that Rooftops.

I will contact the national bee unit for conformation that no plastic hives will be reccomended destroyed for foul brood.

If I had AFB though I would want to destroy my hives with it so I completly took away the chance of infecting fellow beekeepers in the neighborhood.
 
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The NBU's position (as has been stated several times) is because no cases of AFB have been found in plastic hives in the UK so far they have no direct experience. When one is found with AFB they will use it as a basis for developing their policy. I guess they will try chemical treatments first and see how effective it is.

My worry is if they go down the route of charging the beekeeper for destroying the hive it will lead to cases of AFB discovered by beekeepers being kept secret.

On a personal note I am amazed by the strength of opinions being expressed now on several threads on this forum stemming from the Omlet Bee Haus. It was interesting to read the post on the Omlet forum a few weeks ago which made the comment that this forum was supposed to be the "friendly one". I seem to recall reading elsewhere this forum was set up as a reaction to censorship and heavy handed moderation on the BBKA forum.

It seems what inflamed passions on the BBKA forum (pesticides) has its mirror on this forum - plastic beehives.

Tolerance folks, tolerance....
 

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On a personal note I am amazed by the strength of opinions being expressed now on several threads on this forum stemming from the Omlet Bee Haus. It was interesting to read the post on the Omlet forum a few weeks ago which made the comment that this forum was supposed to be the "friendly one". I seem to recall reading elsewhere this forum was set up as a reaction to censorship and heavy handed moderation on the BBKA forum.

It seems what inflamed passions on the BBKA forum (pesticides) has its mirror on this forum - plastic beehives.

Tolerance folks, tolerance....
But no moderation, and no (big) arguments..........everyone has been allowed to say their piece :grouphug:

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Thanks for that Rooftops.

I will contact the national bee unit for conformation that no plastic hives will be reccomended destroyed for foul brood.

If I had AFB though I would want to destroy my hives with it so I completly took away the chance of infecting fellow beekeepers in the neighborhood.
So if you get AFB you will burn your wooden hives???, roof, floor etc etc??? ... not just the frames?
 

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