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QUOTE:Chairman of the Agricultural Biotechnology Council Dr Julian Little added: "Politicians are still being heavily lobbied in this area and the last thing we want them to do is think 'oh I might just get a couple of votes out of this'.

From another article i read:


A quote from Dr Julian Little from Bayer CropScience: "When it comes to bee health, pesticides are not the problem, disease is."
"Chemical crop protection is an indispensable element of competitive, high-yield agriculture"
 

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"Chemical crop protection is an indispensable element of competitive, high-yield agriculture" - which is precisely the short-sighted idiots way of "farming" that is hurtling us ever faster towards the ecological abyss - destroying soils innate fertility, producing poisoned wastelands devoid of any life and galumphing through our supplies of fossil fuels, all in the name of "profits" for the forces of darkness...........:puke:
 

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Seems like the neonicotinoids are less of a problem than what the beekeepers are putting in the hives themselves.

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Our results do not support sufficient amounts and frequency in pollen of imidacloprid (mean of 3.1 ppb in less than 3% of pollen samples) or the less toxic neonicotinoids thiacloprid and acetamiprid to account for impacts on bee health, although one pollen sample contained an exceptional level of 912 ppb imidacloprid (Table 4). A recent landscape-level study of imidacloprid seed treatments on maize in Belgium demonstrated no impacts on honey bees [68]; however, their high prevalence with EBI and other fungicides [49], [66] including myclobutanil [16], although refuted by some field results [69], may have more direct impacts on bee health through synergistic combinations.

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetc...10.1371/journal.pone.0009754#pone-0009754-t00
 

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I think the problem is "cocktail effects" -research at Penn State has shown that when mixed with fungicide (which they often are!) neonicotinoids become several hundred times more toxic - if you then consider 50 or more "icide" residues being found in the typical US hive, the sheer mathematical possibilities of problems of them interacting would cause even supercomputers to choke on the numbers of tests that would need to be done to ascertain that they are all safe singly, and more particularly, in combination with others.......:svengo:
 

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Problem is the finger is pointed at each chemical company in turn with each saying their product is safe if used alone.

Has anyone got them all in a room and talked about the cumalative effects.

Drink a bottle of wine OR 6 pints of lager OR half a bottle of spirits in an evening and it would not kill you.

Try drinking them all together though and see what happens.

You would then have all 3 drinks makers saying:
"it's not our fault we only made one of those products that is proven to be safe if drunk alone!".
 

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I agree with the cocktail effect being very complex,was told about this last spring by the people at syngenta,and that was only mixing two substances together,lambda cyhalothrin and fungicide triazole,quite deadly to bee's.
But just interested in this newly released research and how very low to no levels of neonics were found in the samples.
Plenty of everything else but not that.
 

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