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Finman said:
My experience is that this amount of soya makes patty hard and it dryes up easily.

If you use fat free soya, it is good to add vegetable oil. Soya flour with fat is better than nonfat.

I use much dry yeast. It keeps patty soft.

Bees eate patty with their jaws. If flour is too coarse, the most of patty will be found on bottom board.

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Hi I am new to bee keeping and this is the first time I have had to consider feeding my bees pollen substitute I want to build my two colonies up so that I can increase the number of colonies. I have been told that feeding the bees Pollen Substitue will help them develop faster. I have also been told to use fat free soya flour and brewers yeast (Ted Hooper) but I cannot find a supplier for fat free flour. You say it is OK to use normal soya flour if this is OK then it is much easier to source. I do not have any natural pollen will this matter? Sorry for all the questions any suggesions will be very welcome.

Keithn
 
another spring and the talk turns to pollen patties, can i just mention that brewers yeast comes in little 5 gram packets not kilo bags , bread flour does tho, so where do people expect us to buy a couple of kilos from i dont know .

and just dont get me started on defatted soya flour.

to late its started the green mist is down and the rant monster is free

hedgrerow petes pollen patty recipe

the blood from two unicorns
defatted soya flour
big bag of brewers yeast
1,278.5 mouse ears (dont forget the half)
several kilos of pollen, this must be collected from only left handed bees flying on sundays, backwards.
three dragon toe nails
and finaly the last one and old pair of boots to give them that kick they need

all ingreadiants should be sirted together on a full moon whilst young wenches dance a round the culdron ( magic mix) untill the brew is properly mixed then it must bee paraded around the hives until all the bees are happy with it

i have asked this question so many times and i dont belive anyone can answer it,
does anyone know where i can buy defatted soya flour from in the uk

the monster leaves, enjoy
 
Hrp

another convert to biodynamic apiculture i see!!!! welcome to the NBT!!!!!

i hope you'll be posting pictures of you in a floaty white dress next to your intricately painted sustainable hives?
 
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Don't you understand that defatted soya is not needed.
Neither skimmed milk.

It has been tested in many laboratories since 1977

I have written this 15 times but it has no meaning.

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drstitson said:
brewers yeast - fleabay 270659114493 - 5.4kg £26 delivered.
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not at that price thanks.

finman you say it is ok to use normal full fat and yet there is so much book words saying the contry to that, and as the fat content goes up the bees find it harder to use /digest, so that is why they suggest unicorns blood, sorry that was supposed to be defatted soya flour
 
use Dried Skimmed Milk Powder with Non-Milk Fat you can buy it for around £25 per 25kg bag
 
i thought milk powder was a big no no for bees now en days.

i was always taught the simple recipe of,
brewers yeast
defatted soya flour,
pollen

why do people have to make the recipes so complicated, some i have seen have a dozen ingrediants in them as well as oils and vitiamins
 
dun no if milk powder is good or bad there seems to be alot of recipes on US sites listing this in there patties
 
theengraver said:
use Dried Skimmed Milk Powder with Non-Milk Fat you can buy it for around £25 per 25kg bag
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I just wrote that don't use skimmed milk

50% of skimmed milk is milk sugar what bees cannot use. There are lack of some aminoacids and the result is that only 1/4 of skimmed milk is usefull to bees.

Yeast is better then than skimmed milk.
 
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You could make it simple and buy a 20kg bag of pollen pattie mix like i do
 
No need to shout little boy!
 
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I got once feed bee patty flour. Bees did not like it, but however they ate it with 50% speed.

http://www.ecroyd.com/Products/Service/Detail/Product/289/A___Beekeeping_Equipment/Feed_Bee.html

100% natural vegetable ingredients, contains no pollen, hive products, animal products, soy products or chemicals.
This product has been proven 1st ever scientifically formulated pollen substitute created to satisfy a honeybee`s nutritional needs.
FeedBee helps increase colony strength and health when natural food is scarce.
 
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Tell us again about your OH's rant when you sunk the kitchen in yeast should have zapped it in the microwave to kill it before it went for the dog. :party:

I went to Holland & Barret for brewers yeast powder and soya flour. As you point out, getting de-fatted soya flour in the UK is like digging for rocking horse manure.

Are there any specialists out there that can tell us more about the technical difference between full-fat and de-fatted soya flour?

I believe that it has something to do with the method of extracting the oil, by pressing or using solvent. So tell us something about it and is it the type of oil that's difficult to digest or just the oil?

I suspect that there is something more to be learned here to assist our understanding and allow us to make the better choices.

Finman, there will always be people that fail to understand or heed your advice, so ignore them and keep to the path of quality, without shouting. There are none so deaf as those that do not wish to hear. A lot of vain space between the ears even.
 
some thoughts.

Irradiated pollen cannot be that diff to find as a certain gent in the south west had it as recently as 2 years ago. I believe it comes from Spain. I will phone him. (GRMS)

Defatted soya is the same, as I posted earlier it was available from Heath food shops so who knows a health food wholesaler?

It's not optional it is essential so give Finman a rest as he is right, as he is annually. ;)

PH
 
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