Invert Sugar

[crazy_bull]

Excellent.

I so agree with the penny pinching then the splurge on the fuel, makes me chuckle.

Can I ask now many containers?

PH

I think between 3 of us we had 120-150 containers

C B

 

[Nic Rhodes]

I am a huge fan of Ambrosia, I have found it soo much simpler to use (saving HUGE quantities of my valuable time and petrol). I have also found it taken by bees when they are not taking conventional sugar syrup also especially in spring when needed. Our local price is okay but if we were larger I am sure we could get it cheaper again, something that is important for us in remote rural areas.

 

[Finman]

I am a huge fan of Ambrosia, I have found it soo much simpler to use (saving HUGE quantities of my valuable time and petrol).

should I be a huge fan of Lidl sugar. No, no. But I am a fan of Lidl's Norwegian cold smoked salmon.

30 hives like I have. My time is not that valuable

winter feeding is a simple task in beekeeping. I take all my 30 hives to my cottage yard.

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30 hives is not much.

 

[Nic Rhodes]

30 hives may be much easier if you are retired and don't have a young family and demanding job. Sometime I envy the 2 hive owner..

 

[Finman]

30 hives may be much easier if you are retired and don't have a young family and demanding job. Sometime I envy the 2 hive owner..

2 years abo I was not retired.
I worked and lived in Helsinki and I drived every weekend to my cottage 150 km=2 hours.
Once I had too young family and demanding job.

I have nursed 45 years 20 hives from the distance of 150 km.
I have not calculted that my life is valuable. It is not when I sit here and write to this forum.

.but what I see now, everything takes much more time than 30 years ago.

"nothing is so important as nurse roses but even it is not so important"

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[Into the lions den]

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In Finland Ambrosia is 2,5 kg 4 euros. I should drive 300 + 300 km to get that stuff.

Lidl is at the distance of 15 km. Sugar kilo is 97 cents = 1 euro/kg.

So 500 kg ambrosia is 800 euros...+ 100 euros car driving.
sugar,................................500 euros

difference is about douple.

Our sugar price is high because the state invented the sugar tax one year ago.

500Kg of an analogue of Ambrosia* costs me (not a selling on price) about 400 euros..........this contains about 365Kg of sugars.

365Kg of sugar costs me 384 euros

Difference, dry weight, 16 euros. No work, no waste, no hassle. Ambrosia is way overpriced in northern markets because of its multi level marketing structure, other brands pretty well identical are much cheaper.


* Actually Ambrosia is itself an analogue of the original product, and probably still marginally the best, Apiinvert.

 

[Nic Rhodes]

2 years abo I was not retired.
I worked and lived in Helsinki and I drived every weekend to my cottage 150 km=2 hours.
Once I had too young family and demanding job.

I have nursed 45 years 20 hives from the distance of 150 km.
I have not calculted that my life is valuable. It is not when I sit here and write to this forum.

.but what I see now, everything takes much more time than 30 years ago.

"nothing is so important as nurse roses but even it is not so important"

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I am glad you have / had a much easier life than others here. My beekeeping life was also much simpler 30 years ago but lives change and for many here (especially commercial bee people), time costs serious money and for some time is just not even available.

 

[itma]

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I have not calculted that my life is valuable. It is not when I sit here and write to this forum.
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A universal truth for all of us - that one is not special to Finland!

 

[Finman]

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Lion, you work on very different scale as other forum members.

I have wondered in these day blue berry pickers in Finland
They arrive from Thailand. They get perhaps 1 euro/kg cleaned berries.
Next day the same kilo is 10 euros for consumers.
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The value rised 10 fold during night and it had 3 middlemen which moved the berries 25 km.

Wow! This is a miracle of logistics!

The first law of capitalism: " smart guys win stupid guys".
Second law: "try to get others' money to you because they try to the same to your money."

 

[Into the lions den]

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Lion, you work on very different scale as other forum members

Not to all. There are some serious commercial beekeepers active on the forum.

However, those who are able to come to my place get their syrup for just a little more than that, just to make up for the time my staff will spend chatting and decanting etc, and giving out advice. I hate seeing people getting ripped off.

 

[Finman]

However, those who are able to come to my place get their syrup for just a little more than that, j

that is strange. no VAT or taxes. No margins of prpfits..

Something shanging economy: me honey you ambrosia

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[Finman]

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I looked from google Ambrosia business in UK. It is a trade mark.

I can see the reality. Ambrosia sugar syrup with its water is douple price evenin uk compared to suga.

"National beekeeping supply" sells 13 kg ambrosia with price pounds 24

so do many other suppliers.

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[Winker]

that is strange. no VAT or taxes. No margins of prpfits..

Something shanging economy: me honey you ambrosia

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Bee food is TAX free

 

[crazy_bull]

Not to all. There are some serious commercial beekeepers active on the forum.

However, those who are able to come to my place get their syrup for just a little more than that, just to make up for the time my staff will spend chatting and decanting etc, and giving out advice. I hate seeing people getting ripped off.

I did that once, took orders from everyone back then the cost to me was about £8.50/container, i told everyone it was £10 each.

NEVER again will i do that service to all but a few selected friends, i had about 15-20 people who wanted some, not one turned up when they said they would half of them quibbled and haggled over the price, one turned up with no money and after promising to come back the next day when he was passing took me 3 weeks to get the £10 off him!

Retail is an ugly business.

C B

 

[Into the lions den]

Retail is an ugly business.

Yes indeed.

Nowadays if anyone wants anything from me its against cash.................with very few exceptions. Only those proven to do what they say they will do get credit at all. Cannot afford bad debts, and the hassle of chasing people you have actually done a favour to.

I eventually once just gave a guy a packet of foundation and invited him not to come back. Was letting him have it at cost, but as it was 10 sheets he wanted a discount ( we are talking on 1.90!! which is what I asked him for 10 sheets of unwired BS shallow for cut comb), and when I would not give it asked for 3 sheets instead, as he had super frames to wax and starter strips would do. He had a wallet of cash a horse could not swallow.

He actually was not embarassed to take the free foundation and headed off with it as if he had just won the lottery. Short sighted or what, wonder where he would get such cheap foundation the next time?

 

[Into the lions den]

that is strange. no VAT or taxes. No margins of prpfits..

Something shanging economy: me honey you ambrosia

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Thats a very odd post Finman. I cover my costs, and bee feed is VAT zero rated here. And its not Ambrosia. Dependent on market price on the day of buying it can be Apiinvert, Apisuc, or InvertBee. I would need to charge at least 25p/Kg extra for Ambrosia, and its no different to the bees.

 

[alanf]

Retail is an ugly business.

20% of the profit takes 80% of the effort.

He had a wallet of cash a horse could not swallow.

Love the phrase. You don't accumulate a wad like that by spending it .

 

[Finman]

Thats a very odd post Finman. I cover my costs, and bee feed is VAT zero rated here. And its not Ambrosia. Dependent on market price on the day of buying it can be Apiinvert, Apisuc, or InvertBee. I would need to charge at least 25p/Kg extra for Ambrosia, and its no different to the bees.

i am really worried.
You have a big company, you use low prices and you have time to write on this forum

our guys bye something, then they multiply cost with 2 and sell forward.

The best multiply with 10 and sell forward, even their mother in law.

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[For want of a better word]

The best multiply with 10 and sell forward, even their mother in law.


Couldn't give mine away !

 

[greengumbo]

FINMAN: "As a biochemist I can say the bees does not need inverted sugar. It is so simple"

You keep saying this and yes they can invert the sugar with gut enzymes BUT it is at a metabolic cost to them to do so.

If "we" do the work for them by supplying inverted sugar then they do not incur this metabolic cost.

Now i'm just a lowly 1 hive owner (and its barely going!) but that is just simple entropy.